Well I know from former Luftwaffe MiG-29 pilots that the R-27ER is present in the weapons computer, in order to create simulated launches for training. And if you were to place a R-27ER on a MiG-29 pylon it would be recognised as such.
I told you the rocket would hit the limit of 35G. You haven’t discovered anything new
but the turning radius and time will be different as the speed is higher
Are there any WT tests?
Thats pretty cool.
But it only speaks to the uniformity in design of the Soviet Union. They operate on the same guidance and are made by the same OKB.
But still is not relevant to the ER being nearly as good in close range as it is in WT. They never received the missile because simply it’s not tactically feasible for shorter ranges.
The R27R is lighter and smaller, optimal for ranges under medium. If the ER was this good in closer range, able to cover the distance immediately and maneuver as it does it, Frontal Aviation assets and the Mig29 would have received it immediately.
it’s better to go to our discord. in off-topic you can discuss WT
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I have conducted many tests, nothing formal.
But I am a soviet main and have no problem in them never lowering the performance of the ER. My favorite jet of all time is the Flanker after all.
But for it to perform as it does & remain with the Mig29 is the only issue for me.
The Mig29 is severely limited in agility, response to input & missing its trademark missile. The ER is the weapon system that dictates any possible FM buffs and weapon systems from it.
All Mig29s are all fantasy versions limited in improvements & defined by a missile they never carried.
thanks!
G overload is dependent upon change in acceleration and velocity.
At short ranges the performance is the same as the 27R because the speed off the missile is slow. Because obv the motor hasn’t used all the thrust it can output.
At medium ranges the preforms is the same as the 27R because both missiles have the same top speed (iirc) the ER just had a longer burning sustainer.
Being a short range air defense fighter the mig-29 pilots liked less weight in their wings.
And due to airforce doctrine, the migs usually did not use the heavier ER.
simply because it was heavier.
I would respectfully suggest giving growling sidewinder (yt) a look.
Itll give u an idea of how wing loading in BVR helps or jeopardises your performance esp in light fighter aircraft
Eh?
Fulcrum is missing its trademark missile?
You just stated a contradiction unknowingly.
The R27R & ER both share the same maximum overload of 35G because they share the same aerodynamics pattern and controls. There is no question.
G overloads is dependent upon change in acceleration and velocity. Excellent, I agree as well.
The contradiction lies in the actual game performance.
The R27ER is not slow off the rail just as the R27R… Its already Mach 3.5+ less than 5 seconds after launch at low altitude and accelerates
The R27ER is not only well past the ability of the R27R is to manuever, its already well past the ability that the R27R has to fly at all.
It is not impossible that immediate off-the-rail thrust may be innaccurate in game but overall the equation must be equation to the irl value.
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I absolutely agree & has been my argument since the beginning.
Mach 3.5+ off the rail in under 5 seconds at low altitude. Its easily seen in tacview replays.
Actually ive heard reports that its is still lacking a bit of range as some aerodynamic performance formulas that gaijin uses are lacking.
But thats another story and applies to all missiles
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The MiG-29 has never been part of the air defense system
I know.
Air defense fighter is a class of aircraft.
Often synonymous with air superiority.
I think the GDR used the fulcrum as an air defense fighter.
Im not sure abt the russians though.
Yup, I believe it’s also related to the way the missile was brought in the game.
GJ knows their own game obviously.
Matches are fought and determined on close quarters. They know this and are the ones who places spawn close to each other.
The ER would have no place if its performance was comparable to the R27R at closer ranges where its aerodynamics come from. It definitely would not made any difference in increasing the game efficiency of the Mig29, the reason the missile was brought to the game originally.
Therefore, knowing it has the same 35G overload, they still needed it to stand out over the R27R because the Mig29 already had it, they ended up taking the higher recorded top speed (from the long burning motor) as justification to increase acceleration at short-range at all altitudes.
People defending that are defending the model are unaware that for the missile to perform and turn just as good as the R under the immense acceleration would require a maximum overload well in excess of 35Gs.
What is left to fall to the wayside is its actual R27ER range performances.
Mig 29 i get to a degree, but the su27 FM works fine for me. Are you sure the issue is the flightmodel?
You have almost zero sim battles, so my guess is you always use the instructor.
It seems your Problem isn’t the flightmodel itself but how the instructor uses said flightmodel.
It was not an air defense class, it was a front-line fighter.To gain dominance directly over the battlefield
regardless of the semantics, this isnt rlly an issue right bro?