Remove R-27ER

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I do have every platform except mirages. Flankers are the best in my experience and team top performers are mostly flankers and mig29’s from what I’ve seen lately.

I also do quite decently in gripen/f-16c but with a very passive gameplay where I try to climb and get unspotted to launch aim9m’s from above, because their radars and RWR allow for good situation awareness. Aim9m for me is unreliable against aware people, but good for sneaky orbital strikes because they ignore the occasional flare or missile launch at distance.

But for just pure aggressive meta gameplay, I would pick a flanker every time, which works better to snowball a win. Not everyone is skimming the ground all the time as people say they do, R-27ER’s are still my primary weapon to get kills.

Just don’t expect to get stuck in a furball with a flanker and do well, instead do hit-and-run tactics, a flanker is still a good dogfighter but only when left alone because you’ll be doing stall maneuvers and spamming R-73s


Got the fulcrum recently, turns out the R-27ERs are great and the FM, but the radar isnt. Overall I like the airframe than not but eh, the avionics are so bad. Cannons deal decent damage but the ammo pool is a bit limited.
The missile is very strong but its made up(or down) with a rather inferior radar+RWR complex I guess.

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there would be R-27 + R-77 vs aim-120a mostlikely same time period

R-27EA is superior to R-77, so no it shouldn’t be added.

@Melancholia_Mari
They are not OP, this game doesn’t nerf things because they’re OP as this focuses on realism, and killing unaware targets is something I can do with AIM-7 as well.

@NoBottersInARB
R-73s would make Mig-29s 12.7, not 12.3, which the Mig-29s are already 12.7. So no needed.

No you don’t. Everyone would go back to arcade battles and never play that mode.
That system just makes Soviets and Germans to be OP.

Edit: Russians upset that I disagree.

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this be my problem.
a lot of aircraft cannot do that. now as far as I’m aware its on gaijin’s wishlist to add separate dispense binds but it can’t come soon enough.

If the R27 is superior over the R77, why is not the Su57 designed to equip any variant whatsoever. even the EA?

Back to the topic. I believe if GJ is to keep the performance of the ER. They should remove it from the lesser mig29s and give them the R73s like they intended to in the dev server for the 9.13.

That is far more realistic and would even out the lower BRs imo.

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Yeah, I completely agree here. The MiG-29 facing off against BR 11s with nothing to challenge it’s dominance? It’s honestly sorta disgusting to be in a match with an F-4 and an ER slaps you.

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F-16 is just as good at 12.0.

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Because R-77 is cheaper, and R-77M is superior to R-27EA in seeker head.
I don’t think making Mig-29 9.12 and 9.13 12.7 is anywhere close to smart.
Mig-29s are already a middle of the road 12.0, they don’t need R-73s and moved to 12.7.

@Calerid
Mirage 2000 is straight up OP and faces Mig-29.
F-4J, F-16s, EJ Kai, Kurnass 2000, Kfir C2 and C7, Viggens, especially F-1Cs, AV-8B, JH-7, Harrier GR7, and of course both F-14s all have the capability to handle Mig-29s in the context of an air RB match. [We don’t 1v1 in air RB except at the end.]
And F-16 along with F-14B, and Mirage 2000 are superior to Mig-29 9.12 and 9.13 in flight performance, with Mirage 2000C being superior in weapons as well.

I’d recommend practicing defeating radar missiles, cause R-27ER/AIM-7F/M are no threats at all compared to even AIM-9Ls once you know how.

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That or at the very least add the AIM-7P Sparrow which had a new datalink feature over the AIM-7M which would allow it to re-aquire targets similarly to the R-27ER instead of self-destructing after just a few seconds of losing lock. It also came out in 1987 which is 3 years before the R-27ER missile entered service in 1990 lmao.

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Self-destructing was buffed on AIM-7M a while ago.
Datalink doesn’t do that BTW, datalink for SARHs is the ability to use other radars to hone in on a target.
You’re thinking IOG.
AIM-7P would be identical to AIM-7M in capability when radar is locked and in re-locking targets.

Do we definitely know if the ARH R-27 actually exists and was used/tested or is in service? Cant find much evidence on it, maybe I’m not looking in the right places…

You shoyld try the Tornado ADV in a match where there’s Phoenixes and MiG-29s. Can’t evade Phoenixes at high alt because you’re so terrible at turning, can’t do any sort of BVR because you get outranged by R-27ER and AIM-7F(HOW??? AIM-7F is literally the worse missile out of it and SuperTEMP. More to the point it should be garbage at low alt but it just isn’t) so you’re forced, like everyone else, to go to ultra low level and hope/pray that someone is daft enough to pop up and give you a chance with Skyflash. It’s infuriating to not have the separate countermeasure buttons as that might do something about it.

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Because IRL it’s worse due to seeker reliability issues and poor radar performance of the launching aircraft means most of the time it is being launched beyond the maximum range of the seeker.

I assume that the The IOG+Datalink is terribly inaccurate because it cannot accurately triangluate the estimated positon of the target aircraft and results in the seeker being unable regain the lock.

The missile and launch aircraft radars are highly susceptible to jamming and interference, but in game this doesn’t exist.

The combination of these factors results in a very poor hit rate for long range shots.

Whereas in game it works perfectly and the seeker and radar performance is for some reason way better than what it should be.

The same goes for the Mig23 radar and R23/R24. IRL the radar and misisles were absolutely garbage, but in game they work flawlessly.

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lol I think everyone is latching onto the F-4 example. It’s the same for any 11/11.3 plane really. It’s just not something we should be facing in those BRs. If I chose to take out my F-16C or my F-15 I can expect to see these more capable missiles and planes. Being in the lower brackets coming up against promised kill missile here is redonk.

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A potential issue is that the AIM-7P can only be equipt by a narrow selection of specifically configured airframes, none of which are actually modeled in game, the only two I am aware of (pictographic evidence) is a mid-life F/A-18A, and the F-14D to have actually used it in service at least and none of the existing airframes(as per the current configuration did so).

For the most part they stuck the the AIM-7M or jumped to the AIM-120 as was available.

I know this is a bit of a late reply, but I think it should be pretty clear that balancing purely based on “efficiency” often leads to really weird BRs that overtiers planes with easy ergonomics and undertiers harder planes ergonomically, not to mention the playerbase influences on efficency. Look at the entire A6M line, look at how the 3.7 P-51C is better than the entire a6m line and is probably .7 br too low, the Spit mk 24 at 7.0 being generally worse than the P-51H anyway, etc etc. I will say its a bit less of an issue at the higher BRs since gameplans are more homogenized but you still have questionable BRs like the F-104 and MiG-19, or the F-15 being 12.3 for some reason.

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I didn’t say it works, I just said that’s how it’s done.

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