That’s why I said almost.
No lmao.
A better tank should perform better at a higher BR too.
Speaking of reading, I meant that small maps hinder the entire German tech tree too.
Of course yes.
No. It doesn’t need good gun handling, it’s a TD.
Lies. 75mm APHE with 150mm of pen is useless? Since when?
Pz 38s at 2.3 have similar guns, but without APDS, and no one complains they are useless.
Not this again bruh.
It’s a cast hull Sherman and slower than a King Tiger. It’s not even the only thing there with HEAT 400mm~ pen HEAT Shells.
The M36B2 is objectively better in every way other than armor and sits at 5.7. And seriously, you’re complaining about a 3.3 Sherman with a big gun at 6.0? Why don’t you just shoot the damn thing and shut up. It is your fault if they snipe you.
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Oh look. The guy with 10K hours is seal clubbing 6.0 again and using that deceptive tactic to make people think he has a point when in reality he’s just bullying noobs. Other tanks at the same BR with similar armor and mobility have HEAT shells, why do you ignore them and only focus the M-51?
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The picture you posted does nothing.
First circle: Nothing there says the mm is historical. just says that the vehicles are made using historical documents.
Second circle: again, nothing saying the mm is historical. only says that the maps are made to represent irl theaters. that just means “we have maps that are based on the topography of europe, north africa, and east asia”
ignoring what ever you meant on that one you have an arrow pointing at
third circle: says they have PvE that is historical. says nothing about PvP
fourth circle: immersion means that you feel apart of the action. immersion does not mean “this feels like a ww2 battle” unless they state that.
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Other things should move up too.
Then comes @ULQ_LOVER saying his point stands because he is a better player. The double standards are insane.
It’s misleading advertisement, I don’t know why you defend it so much.
yeah, i never like the stat card argument. I try to avoid checking stat cards.
Where is it misleading?
You agree that the M51 should move up? Why?? How would that be fair?
Of course it is.
The 75mm gun can work on 5.7, then why have it on lower B.Rs.?
You know that different vechicles are for different playstyle thus not always they will give You the same results?
For me, Jumbo 76 is much better at 7.3 than M-51 on 7.0.
Topic is about M-51.
The game was never balanced this way, thus the argument is invalid.
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You’re seriously suggesting a Tank Destroyer shouldn’t have a firepower advantage over a Heavy Tank? That’s literally the whole point of that vehicle type.
If you’re fighting with 10K hours in a BR full of new players (6.0), you’re not having a fair fight. I’ve aced at 8.7 in a Marder 3H. Does that mean the Marder 3H should be an 8.7? No. Performance from high skilled players should NOT decide what is and isn’t balanced.
Just because a vehicle is good in the hands of an experienced player, doesn’t mean it’s good to the average player. The M-51 is sluggish, as slow as 70-ton heavy tanks, has poor gun handling, and armor of a 3.3 tank. It’s a Tank Destroyer at heart and does that job decently. Any competent player will not die to a RARE M-51 player in the average engagement in game.
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75mm M3 is good at 3.3 and bad at 5.7. AMX-30’s gun is very good at 6.0 and good at 8.0.
M4A1 is at 3.3 not because it has a fantastic gun, but it’s a bad platform. It’s the other way around, Jumbo 75 is at 5.7, because it’s a very good platform too strong for 3.3, even though the gun is bad at 5.7.
You only confirmed my point, where gun and platform are swapped.
False. I have several nukes using the 75mm EBR in full uptiers to 6.3. It has an extremely high fire rate with tons of utility. Raw Penetration isn’t everything on a gun. Even for the slower Jumbo 75, the gun is still excellent at handling opponents if you can aim properly.
Standard HEAT shells are not good at 8.0. They might be workable, but HEAT-FS and APDS are better in most ways. The 105mm HEAT shells fired by the AMX-30 have little post penetration damage and reward good aim and punish those who don’t know tank internals by heart.
M4A1 is one of the best tanks at 3.3.
The 75mm Jumbo is at 5.7 because of its stupid thick armor and solid mobility. It is not the gun itself that makes a vehicle; it is all aspects. Stop trying to balance off of one piece of a vehicle. You cannot look at a gun alone in a vaccum and dictate if a vehicle is good or not.
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Not sure why people assume that playing lower BRs = always facing noobs. There’s tons of clans and players with 70%+ efficiency and win rates that play at lower BRs.
A noob can straight up buy a 11.3 premium and jump straight into the high ranks as well.
Because it does. The lower you go, the higher the concentration of lower skill players exist. It’s really simple to understand. Level doesn’t necessarily dictate skill either. A person might be a high level without ever improving at the game.
As an example, I can comfortably play 6.7 games and constantly drop nukes running a 100+ degree fever with a migraine while sleep deprived. I’ve done it many times.
75mm is good at 5.7, sounds like a skill issue from You.
Same with M-51 being at 6.0 because it has fantastic gun but it is a bad platform ;).
You are the one who confirmed that gun is not all that matters, so M-51 is fine at 6.0.
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Brother, this logic is the exact reason the M-51 is at 6.0 to begin with
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You could stick the M-51 at 4.0 and it’d be better balanced than being at 6.0. Why?
Tanks at that BR spread can already pen each other easily and most TDs are overkill for the job. Armor isn’t as much of a factor like at 6.7-7.0 where a lot of tanks rely on it solely to survive. A KT, IS-3, or T26E5 is worse off than any light tank if you get rid of its only advantage.
What now?
what?
Yep.
Can go like this:
“M-51 is at 6.0 not because it has a fantastic gun, but it’s a bad platform. It’s the other way around, AMX-30 is at 8.0, because it’s a very good platform too strong for 6,0, even though the gun is bad at 8.0.”
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