APHE is still king. HEAT trades postpen for pen and is often a sidegrade to APHE. You could have a Tiger 2 with 320 pen HEAT and i’d still use APHE. HEAT isn’t the problem. In fact, none of the vehicles mentioned are problems. Take out an AA and you shred allmost every HEAT thrower ~6.7. Take out a plane and you can strafe them for easy kills. Heavy tanks have neither of those problems, which what they get for the decreased mobility.
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what would you propose for vehicles like the amx10M then thats 700mm at 7.3 fighting jagdpanthers and the vehicle really doesnt have anywhere to go br wise saying remove heatfs and missiles from fighting ww2 is way too much of a blanket statement
No such thing as “WWII BR’s”
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idk why people complain about this, it wont ever be removed lol regardless how much one cries about it
true, its really annoying that in mid br (6.0-8.0) light with heat and atgm literally have all the advantages and no downside vs heavy in the same br
most light in that br have
–speed advantage vs heavy (this one is expected)
-silhouette advantage vs heavy
-pen advantage with heat and apds, basically invalidating heavy main advantage
-reload advantage
it really sad as a heavy enjoyer, my tank can’t be reliably used as a heavy even in full downtier
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Dynamic BRs based on ordnance carried. Shell type for tanks, missiles/bombs/etc for planes, and so on.
Paired with using every decimal point for BRs (3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc) it would be an excellent way to lessen the “better shells” issue we’ve always had, make for better stock grinds in general, allow for more options in lineups (can use the same vehicle in multiple, depending on what you take), and help with vehicles who have specific hard-to-balance ordnance for their performance (subsonic attackers with good AA missiles, these HEAT-FS vehicles, etc).
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again with the example with the AMX 10M that’s all it has unless you wanna count the unguided rocket HE im not against the idea there are just so many examples that break this rule this would definetly make a lot more sense at the higher brs 8.3 and up
There are weird cases like that vehicle, though there shouldn’t need to be a limit on how far apart the ordnance BRs can be. I don’t know the AMX-10M that well offhand, but if taking only HE it could probably go down to, like, 1.x or 2.x? But higher than where it is now with ATGMs.
Regardless of my own personal balance thoughts, the system itself would definitely be a direct upgrade to what we currently have.
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No, I really wish they’d just remove the shitbag tanks…
Like they actually troll status and such a joke. The ratel, the R3, or the stupid bullshit Russian vehicles from the 50s-80s that should NOT be at these BRs…
It’s a joke and a stupid one at that.
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9 times out of 10 aphe is better than these heat slingers hell i would rather take solid shit on some tanks it doesn’t take a genius to not crutch on armor
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-Spawn 57 ton Tiger I Heavy Tank.
-See enemy Sherman Medium Tank, possibly a 76(W).
-Angle your Tiger to increase the armor effectiveness.
-The Sherman reduces your existence to atoms after hitting your flawlessly angled front armor plate because it turns out to literally have AMX-30’s gun and HEAT(+FS gameplay wise) from the 1960s with 400mm of penetration because it was a model conceived to fight T-54s during a war in the 1960s.
-Yet it’s slashing through early 1940s tanks that were nothing but scraps/ancient museum relics by the time said gun and shell were even conceived.
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What is the point of sacrificing mobility for armor… when the armor is going to be bypassed by shells 20-30 years more modern?
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Say that when the Italian mobile can skirt the entire map without anyone knowing. They sneak up from behind and disable and the destroy. The Russian light armored vehicles don’t even need that, they have magic frontal pen that defies the existing game rules anyway. Might as well be APFSDS from an MBT they are so effective.
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majority of brs will probs be changed once aphe gets reworked anyway so its just a matter of time
we would need decompression for this as these vehicles arent good at higher BRs
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Not going to happen. They refuse to do the right thing.
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well i hate to break it to you any vehicle that’s fast can do that playing on a flank armor pen doesn’t really matter if you are playing to your vehicles strength which in this case is speed and if anything aphe is again still better because you almost guarantee a one shot
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Well actually it doesn’t have anything going for it but the gun, as said by everyone since it’s addition it is practically a TD with a turning turret (M36 is just overall better and at lower BR btw)
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well then these vehicles arent going up in br then
Okay why aren’t strykers and so on at BR 5? It seems like the nonsense is only fitting were Gaijin wants it.
Until said HEAT does little damage, and the Tiger 1 shots it with APHE.
I think the heat slingers are fairly well balanced due to their downsides and the current state of HEAT and HEAT-FS.
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