Falcon AT ability is only slightly better than Gepards, it has other qualities like being smaller and having 1/4 bullet being APDS that make it more successful as a tank hunter, but quickly offset by the fact that it has shitty zoom level and being extremely slow to get into position. The AA ability can’t match any of the SPAA in its respective br, I reckon it probably take thousand of matches to become decent at AA, where anyone can hope into a radar and click on there indicator.
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Remove APHE from ZSU-57 - Its an AA shouldnt have an anti vehicle round
Increase BR for Soviet SPAA with Radars.
Remove AP rounds from the Soviet SPAA and that Stupid Czech SPAA.
Reduce penetration of Pantsir missiles to ground targets
Every SPAA has an AP round you either remove all of them or none of them.
So what is your opinion about the Lvkv 9040C ? Its a SPAA, or do you consider it an IFV like the other Strf 9040s ?
Where do you draw the line here? The fire-rate? The mobility?
That thing has worse AA capabilities than some 4.0s lol.
No reason for Shilka to be at the same BR as Gepard.
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I know it’s roungh but it shreds tanks with side shots and some front shots. I have no issues with SPAA having anti vehicle capabilities
Gepard has been udnertiered for years, it’s always been the deadliest SPAAG has great chassis and good fire power and great rate of fire. Gepard should be higher.
After the gun handling nerf it’s even worse.
It has pitiful zoom and recoil is pretty big, so spamming at targets that aren’t at point blank might be difficult.
Then others above it should move up as well.
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ZSU 57-2 says hi. also ZSU 37-2 with 80mm of AP is also more then enough to kill anything from the side. Also Gepard is 8.3, LtPsv is 8.7.
all Oerlikon KDA have at most 40 rounds (20 per barrel) of APDS, DCA has way more in its mixed belts.
that was there real life ability, for self defense. plus they have a massive ammo rack with goes thermo nuclear even when its almost empty. ( I’ve had a detonation with only 40 total rounds left)
shall we remove all HE-VT from arty then, because its meant for air burst above the ground not for shooting aircraft. (a more reliable option to standard time fuze).
shall we remove or reduce all ATGM’s on USSR / CHN MBT’s. because the rest have only the Falaric on SWE event and Premium or the two French ACRA or the shillelagh, most need to stop to be able to fire, except Falaric.
if the USSR had APDS on their vehicles you can bet Gaijin would have added them in a heart beat.
both USSR top tier, being the Tunguska and the Pantsir have guns while all other at that tier don’t. (except USA ADATS)
All USSR SPAAG’s with SAM’s have “FREE” missiles, while others have to pay for theirs, the cake going to the very lack luster IDF Chaparal with over 900 SL per upgraded SAM (still only 16.5G). only end of the line SPAAG’s get free top tier missile.
The ZSU 37-2 is much slower than the Gepard and doesn’t have the same firerate
i find Lvkv variant very lack luster, here’s why:
- slow turret traverse, compared to dedicated SPAAG (35 compared to 90 on the ItPsv);
- low gun elevation, compared to dedicated SPAAG (50 compared to 85 on the ItPsv);
- RoF is lower, (300 - compared to 550);
- HE-VT is charged per round (70 SL), not per belt;
- HE-VT rarely kills with one round, normally i fire 5 round bursts;
- Lvkv has 24 round ready rack, which empties fast, but replenishes slow;
- the only plus over a Radar canon SPAAG, is that it can carry a lot of 140mm APFSDS, which are free;
- Radar dome can’t be lowered so prime target for HEAT, HE, ATGM, etc…;
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Its an SPAA, mainly because it has radar? Idk man, pretty simple to me
Ok, but the low tier ZUT-37 has bad traverse too, but its an SPAA… not a light tank
I’m not complaining about AP rounds at all. I think every nation should have them to give their SPAA some pen against armoured planes (and vehicles, too). Thats the point of the A and the P in AP, y’know?
Also, That wasn’t my point.
You want to remove APDS…While allowing Russian/Soviet SPAA to have the same anti vehicle capabilities they already have.
German and British SPAA as an example moved to sub caliber rounds away from full size AP rounds.
Also the only Premium SPAA, and to me that thing is pretty much what a premium should be in this game, not copy-paste spam, just intresting one-offs and rare vehicles. ngl
Gepard has better main belt than Shilka.
I think all of them do.
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would be kinda weird if a 23mm had the same performance as a 35mm?
Here’s why the Lvkv 9040C is good:
- APFSDS rounds – Can penetrate light and some medium tanks at the sides and some spots the front. even at pretty steep angles.
- High velocity & accuracy – Easier to hit aircraft at range.
- Better survivability – More armor than most SPAAGs, decent crew layout. A spall liner.
- Thermals & optics – Great for spotting air and ground targets.
- Decent speed & mobility – Faster than many SPAAGs, easy to reposition.
- prettyyy Versatile – Can fight both air and ground targets pretty effectively. Helicopters are usually the easier to deal with. The HE-VT does have low damage and it kindof needs the 3P ammunition to be better, but what can we do?
It trades some SPAAG traits for better ground capability and situational flexibility.
Soooo, in my opinion. Its actually a good spaa, that doesent really act as an SPAA. its just a IFV converted into SPAA as it functions in-game rn
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i meant this thing
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it’s the extra -2 in the name ;)
Man so many people are gonna be salty once the skyranger variants get added to every european tree with full belt apfsds and 1200 rpm
So Gepard has better main belts and gets APDS as well for “compensation”.