I can do the same, if not better with the APHE on the gepard based Spaa than with the APDS tbh, the post pen damage when going through hatches and sides is far greater and you instantly kill light tanks, plus you get to spray at targets to find a weakspot in a hurry.
So to get rid of APDS would be to decrease the BRs of my favourite spaag so I’m all for it (besides the falcon which is unique in its requirement for apds)
SPAA shoud simply not drive around fighting tanks.
And whole “if no apds then br go down” argument is just a strawman argument.
You are SPAA, you fight planes. What you do against tanks have nothing to do with your anti air capabilities.
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Well they can add a second edition of every spaa in game just without radar, because I do not want to sacrifice the most fun playstyle in game because people are whining about it
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More targets you can kill––>more fun––>more SPAA players
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You should still be able to kill tanks with Gepard’s main belt.
I believe only exception to this is SIDAM as it’s main belt has like 7mm of flat pen. It’s APDS also has much lower pen than other ones.
yea ADATS would come down to 10.7 right next to 2S6 if it doesnt have 900mm pen on their missile.
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in my opinion the APHE is by far a bigger problem because it often ignores amor, for example i got killed in the Object 279 through my front plate from a gepard. and i often saw m247 killing t 80 through the front. Or when i drive the Marksman its rediculous how many tanks i can shred out of any angle. If it would only be possible with the 40 shells APDS it would be okay but its possible with the whole ammo belt. and the falcon is a nother problem it is awsome in destroying Air and ground but due to the apds it is driven as a MBT → that shouldnt be rewarded that much
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In my opinion you shouldnt be defenceless against groundtargets but useless in hunting them
Falcon AT ability is only slightly better than Gepards, it has other qualities like being smaller and having 1/4 bullet being APDS that make it more successful as a tank hunter, but quickly offset by the fact that it has shitty zoom level and being extremely slow to get into position. The AA ability can’t match any of the SPAA in its respective br, I reckon it probably take thousand of matches to become decent at AA, where anyone can hope into a radar and click on there indicator.
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Remove APHE from ZSU-57 - Its an AA shouldnt have an anti vehicle round
Increase BR for Soviet SPAA with Radars.
Remove AP rounds from the Soviet SPAA and that Stupid Czech SPAA.
Reduce penetration of Pantsir missiles to ground targets
Every SPAA has an AP round you either remove all of them or none of them.
So what is your opinion about the Lvkv 9040C ? Its a SPAA, or do you consider it an IFV like the other Strf 9040s ?
Where do you draw the line here? The fire-rate? The mobility?
That thing has worse AA capabilities than some 4.0s lol.
No reason for Shilka to be at the same BR as Gepard.
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I know it’s roungh but it shreds tanks with side shots and some front shots. I have no issues with SPAA having anti vehicle capabilities
Gepard has been udnertiered for years, it’s always been the deadliest SPAAG has great chassis and good fire power and great rate of fire. Gepard should be higher.
After the gun handling nerf it’s even worse.
It has pitiful zoom and recoil is pretty big, so spamming at targets that aren’t at point blank might be difficult.
Then others above it should move up as well.
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ZSU 57-2 says hi. also ZSU 37-2 with 80mm of AP is also more then enough to kill anything from the side. Also Gepard is 8.3, LtPsv is 8.7.
all Oerlikon KDA have at most 40 rounds (20 per barrel) of APDS, DCA has way more in its mixed belts.
that was there real life ability, for self defense. plus they have a massive ammo rack with goes thermo nuclear even when its almost empty. ( I’ve had a detonation with only 40 total rounds left)
shall we remove all HE-VT from arty then, because its meant for air burst above the ground not for shooting aircraft. (a more reliable option to standard time fuze).
shall we remove or reduce all ATGM’s on USSR / CHN MBT’s. because the rest have only the Falaric on SWE event and Premium or the two French ACRA or the shillelagh, most need to stop to be able to fire, except Falaric.
if the USSR had APDS on their vehicles you can bet Gaijin would have added them in a heart beat.
both USSR top tier, being the Tunguska and the Pantsir have guns while all other at that tier don’t. (except USA ADATS)
All USSR SPAAG’s with SAM’s have “FREE” missiles, while others have to pay for theirs, the cake going to the very lack luster IDF Chaparal with over 900 SL per upgraded SAM (still only 16.5G). only end of the line SPAAG’s get free top tier missile.
The ZSU 37-2 is much slower than the Gepard and doesn’t have the same firerate
i find Lvkv variant very lack luster, here’s why:
- slow turret traverse, compared to dedicated SPAAG (35 compared to 90 on the ItPsv);
- low gun elevation, compared to dedicated SPAAG (50 compared to 85 on the ItPsv);
- RoF is lower, (300 - compared to 550);
- HE-VT is charged per round (70 SL), not per belt;
- HE-VT rarely kills with one round, normally i fire 5 round bursts;
- Lvkv has 24 round ready rack, which empties fast, but replenishes slow;
- the only plus over a Radar canon SPAAG, is that it can carry a lot of 140mm APFSDS, which are free;
- Radar dome can’t be lowered so prime target for HEAT, HE, ATGM, etc…;
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Its an SPAA, mainly because it has radar? Idk man, pretty simple to me
Ok, but the low tier ZUT-37 has bad traverse too, but its an SPAA… not a light tank