well F-5C vs SAAF Gripen is a bit different since for the F-5C, its an American jet getting American CM pod, sure, wasnt used operationally by USAF F-5C, but the USAF did have the CM pods iirc
while SAAF gripen AIM-120 is asking for a Swedish jet in SAAF service to get an American missile which they did not have
Fair.
I think I should’ve proposed
M61 APCBC for 75mm M3 equivalents
or M86 APCBC for 57mm 6pdr
or no APDS for Sherman Firefly on the British branch.
as example
rather than F-5C and JAS39C problem :/
Or Tornado Gr1 not getting the Mk103 engines it did actually have because we got the Tornado Gr4 instead for the Mk103 engine (legitamately the reason they’ve given) and yet all other Tornado IDS at that BR have Mk103 engines
wdym by 75mm M3 equivalents?
agree with 57mm apcbc
for firefly i think it is for having it at a more reasonable BR
British contemporary gun ‘75mm QF Mk. V’ which uses the same American ammunitions.
Agree that without APDS is better for 4.7BR deck
Having APDS will cause BR increase just like Sherman III’s useless APCR did.
But Gaijin should’ve been given British-main the option to choose.
76mm Shot SV Mk.1 is one of the iconic ammunition for 17pdr.
It is quite a shame that Brits have no other option but to grind the Italian branch for using APDS on Firefly to hunt German beasts down.
Foldered ‘Sherman Firefly(Late.)’ can be a solution maybe?
The F-5C CM pods are pretty egregious in so much as the ALE-40 didn’t even exist until after the F-5C was retired from service.
Removing AP belts might help the spaa vs cas situation.
A lot of spaa are above their effective anti-air ability because their stats are pushed up by their anti-tank ability.
Only remove them if you are able to freely leave and rejoin as SPAA in a battle.
You shouldn’t be entirely useless against ground targets, because those are the primary targets in the game.
I think the 50/50 belts can stay.
I can do the same, if not better with the APHE on the gepard based Spaa than with the APDS tbh, the post pen damage when going through hatches and sides is far greater and you instantly kill light tanks, plus you get to spray at targets to find a weakspot in a hurry.
So to get rid of APDS would be to decrease the BRs of my favourite spaag so I’m all for it (besides the falcon which is unique in its requirement for apds)
SPAA shoud simply not drive around fighting tanks.
And whole “if no apds then br go down” argument is just a strawman argument.
You are SPAA, you fight planes. What you do against tanks have nothing to do with your anti air capabilities.
Well they can add a second edition of every spaa in game just without radar, because I do not want to sacrifice the most fun playstyle in game because people are whining about it
More targets you can kill––>more fun––>more SPAA players
You should still be able to kill tanks with Gepard’s main belt.
I believe only exception to this is SIDAM as it’s main belt has like 7mm of flat pen. It’s APDS also has much lower pen than other ones.
yea ADATS would come down to 10.7 right next to 2S6 if it doesnt have 900mm pen on their missile.
in my opinion the APHE is by far a bigger problem because it often ignores amor, for example i got killed in the Object 279 through my front plate from a gepard. and i often saw m247 killing t 80 through the front. Or when i drive the Marksman its rediculous how many tanks i can shred out of any angle. If it would only be possible with the 40 shells APDS it would be okay but its possible with the whole ammo belt. and the falcon is a nother problem it is awsome in destroying Air and ground but due to the apds it is driven as a MBT → that shouldnt be rewarded that much
In my opinion you shouldnt be defenceless against groundtargets but useless in hunting them
Falcon AT ability is only slightly better than Gepards, it has other qualities like being smaller and having 1/4 bullet being APDS that make it more successful as a tank hunter, but quickly offset by the fact that it has shitty zoom level and being extremely slow to get into position. The AA ability can’t match any of the SPAA in its respective br, I reckon it probably take thousand of matches to become decent at AA, where anyone can hope into a radar and click on there indicator.
Remove APHE from ZSU-57 - Its an AA shouldnt have an anti vehicle round
Increase BR for Soviet SPAA with Radars.
Remove AP rounds from the Soviet SPAA and that Stupid Czech SPAA.
Reduce penetration of Pantsir missiles to ground targets
Every SPAA has an AP round you either remove all of them or none of them.