ZA-35, PGZ09, and the Gepard clones should be 9.0 anyways. idk much about Veak 40, but everyone says it sucks.
WDYM, we had both.
Gaijin just chooses to [bully the British] as always.
If Gaijin really wanted to push the ‘Brit chaps never used M61 APCBC with filler’,
then they should’ve also removed M61 APCBC(US) from Sherman III and Churchill NA75.
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In that case, those SPAA are the problem, yes? Not the poor ZSU-23-4…
PGZ09 is a better AA than Gepard due to having AHEAD but a pretty mediocre AT as the ammo weren’t effective and having no gun depression at all, hence its in the same br as Gepards, it’s AT sucks in comparison. ZA-35 also has one weakness, it cannot lock air target in third person while every one else’s you mention can do it, it change the game completely when you have to manually point at the target to lock it, when CAS closing in you will have to shoot it without the lead which makes it less effective.
Some SPAAs are really nasty. Also at low BRs. There are SPAAs with 80 - 100mm penetration vs. WW2 vehicles.
Like the Czech flakbus, the Italian Leopard SPAA, the french DCA at just 5.0 with 94mm pen (insanity), russian trucks and SPAA tanks at very low BRs have around 80mm pen, US Vietnam era SPAAs with 72mm pen around just 4.0.
I see them wrecking havoc every single match. Every match there are some players abusing their ground killing capabilities. One or double barreled autocannon vehicles with 70-100mm penetration shouldn’t play vs. early or mid WW2 tanks. Especially on all those small CQC maps. They’re too good close range.
People spawn these SPAAs over tanks for a reason. Moving through narrow maps at full speed and third person mouse aim is just easymode with these autocannons + high pen ammo.
Removing high pen belts at least for these should be done immeadetly. Like DCA40 @ 4.0 with over 90mm pen. They kill medium tanks around their BR frontally with autocannons, even some heavy tanks. Its insane.
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no? ADATS and 2S6 got the same AA capability but ADATS is higher solely because the missile got 900mm of pen
ZSU-23 belongs at 8.3
Sure, only if the Gepard and others go up in BR too!
Veak 40 is a bad spaa
Not really.
The problem is that many SPAA vehicles basically all the WW2 ones, were designed to be operated in a squad of 10-20 units. Achieving accuracy by volume of fire. The problem is that in war thunder we don’t have this. This is why we get “interesting” SPAA-s such as the Falcon on the ZSU-57-2 or even the OTOMATIC, which are horrendously shit when it comes to shooting down planes but are absolute beast when it comes to killing tanks.
This begs the question; how do you actually balance these vehicles that are clearly meant to be operated in a squad to be effective against air targets but have the capability to fight against tanks as well. I think there is no good answer for this. The best method is the one that is already in place now. Which is to limit the amount of anti-tank ammo that they can carry. You can’t just change the br, since the vehicle itself is the problem. At the same time completely removing the anti-tank ammo from them would force these vehicles to only engage planes, but we already established that they are not verry effective at doing that as a single unit.
yes I LITERALLY JUST SAID that the Gepard/Gepard clones and PZG09 should be 9.0
You aren’t very good at the game are you? Not trying to be rude but you seem like a avid CAS player that doesn’t know how to play CAS. You’re opinion that the A4E is bad tells me you have no idea how to play it. Literally any spaa from 8.0 is unable to deal with a somewhat intelligent AGM62 player whoch is why we have missile SPAA. M247 by your logic sho I ld be 10.3 where it fights jets able to engage from 8km away where it can’t fight to defend itself against CAS.
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Why are you trying to say A-4E is bad? It’s not a bad plane, it’s just completely void of a proper lineup.
A4E is great and the 9.0 tanks on the US can very easily play at 9.3 like i do a lot, i never said it was bad, you can look at my stats idc, i enjoy the A4E and the XM803, only thing id like is a light tank at 9.0 with a main cannon since im bad with the 8.3 Bradley at 9.3, LAV 105 pls snail probably gonna be 9.7+ though
Rarely do i meet missile SPAA since most of my matches im sitting outside their lock range. Though i will die if i dont catch the missile with flares early which is on me.
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Or a TOW Humvee. I’m still dissapointed that WT has no Humvees or Jeeps.
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More Humvees would be very cool i want some cool light tanks for the 8.x-10.x on the US
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But makes sense, since the Gepard carried 40 APDS rounds.
On vehicles like the Falcon, which only has one continues belt, it makes no sense.
It’s an AA vehicle so it would use ammunition against air targets.
At best it would fire 25-50% AP rounds mixed in with the high explosive shells.
Same deal with the Kugelblitz.
Mixing APCR together on a 1:2 ratio with HE makes even less sense then the vehicle even carrying APCR.
The only way to justify them having APCR/APDS is to say because they could. Which then makes the realistic Gepard implementation pointless, since it might just carry only APDS as well.
Like in some scenario where the only stock of ammo available is APDS.
I 100% support this.
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I can do more damage in an M42 then an M4A2, especially late game. I may intentionally choose the M42 late game because it can do significantly more damage then the M4A2 would.
I have received several (3) nukes just by playing Italian SPAAG. The Leo 70/40, R3 T20, and ZSU-57 are a hell of a nasty lineup and are insane for killing tanks.
These vehicles are incredibly strong in a TD role. They are at most decent in an AA role (I enjoy it, but it has taken significant practice to get to a state of comfort with aiming them). I’m not against AP- I just wish there was a bit better way to balance them (there isn’t). Just my two cents though.
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