If only it had HARMs
It’s not like the Mirage 4000 isn’t already outclassed, or frankly almost bad for its current BR… sitting at 13.0 with its Magic 2s as its only selling point, especially since everything else is inferior to the Mirage 2000 C-S5. They could at least give it better avionics and some MICAs-at least 4 of them-but MICAs would mean a 14.0 BR. Nowadays, 13.0 is a BR flooded with Fox-3s, leaving the Russian R-27ER as the only real Fox-1 competitor against Fox-3s
That would just be a bad premium
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Hi, I’m going to ask a silly question, but does an aircraft equipped with Mica missiles have a chance of having a BR lower than 14.0 if it doesn’t have a helmet-mounted sight?
You guys are great. You add a copy and paste non-french rank 8 premium, place it .4 higher than the su30 premiums, nerf the countermeasures on basically every french f16 and refuse to add their ability to use MAW/flare pods with missiles. Greed is such a pathetic thing.
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The PIDS+ pylons could only carry air-to-ground missiles. They were not compatible with the air-to-air missile loadouts currently represented in-game, so this is not necessarily a case of functionality being deliberately withheld.
The countermeasure system was reworked rather than simply nerfed. The aircraft now uses a mixture of large and medium countermeasure slots, which more accurately reflects the visually different dispenser types carried.
Personally, I don’t see this as a negative. Premium vehicles that are closely related to existing tech-tree vehicles tend to be easier to balance and generally have less potential to become pay-to-win. They also provide a more familiar progression path for players while still representing vehicles operated by nations within the subtree.
While a French vehicle would have been preferable from a national perspective, there do not appear to be many suitable French candidates in the BR range Gaijin was targeting. In practice, they would likely have had to introduce an entirely new tech-tree vehicle first and then create a premium variant from it, which is a significantly larger undertaking than adding a premium based on an existing platform (in this case, Belgian). As a result, choosing a vehicle already present in-game was probably the more practical option.
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Ok those are quite specific requirements but thank you for the information.
The problem is not Mirage 4000 but the power creep and BR compression. When it was added it was perfectly viable vehicle at top tier.
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Depends what vehicle, I mean stuff like the M-346 and Mirage F1EM VI have access to it. But the first is Italian and the latter wouldn’t be a viable premium.
If you can find an airframe bad enough to bring MICAs below 14.0 while still being playable with those missiles, then sure
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Notice how you refused to address the point that these planes are 0.4 higher than the premium Su-30s. I guess the russians and chinese are the only ones who get the luxury of being downtiered to face jets that barely have Fox-3s, while they themselves get a radar hmd and 10 better missiles, six of which being Fox-3s, without having to sacrifice a single missile just to get a reasonable number of countermeasures.
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While I personally agree that the premium Su-30’s should go up in BR, I’m only a suggestion moderator. I don’t decide what Gaijin adds, how vehicles are implemented, what BR they receive, or how they’re balanced.
My role here is simply to help review suggestions and discuss the historical aspects of the aircraft being proposed. Concerns about BR placement, matchmaking, weapon balance, or whether another nation’s aircraft is undertiered are ultimately matters for Gaijin’s developers and balancing team, not the suggestion moderators.
You’re completely free to disagree with the implementation or balance decisions, but those decisions aren’t something I have any influence over.
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Pretty sure it was nerfed, correct me if I’m wrong.
Previously it was using 4 x 30 medium countermeasures for a total of 120 mediums. The 30 mediums are interchangeable for 15 large. If it was reworked to use large slots, then it would be 2x 30 and 2x 15 which would be 90 countermeasures total.
But now the slots themselves have been reduced from 4 to 2, with one being 30x medium and the other being 15x large.
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F16AM / F16A MLU / F16CM
In summary, WT simply models the American countermeasures modules; the only problem is that it’s impossible to choose between medium and large decoy modules on the aircraft currently available in the game.
Some players might be able to open a ticket to get their version of the F-16AM, and others, equipped with more countermeasures modules, but this still needs to be proven.
They simply reused the visual model and stated that the F16A has 2 modules, the MLU has 3 modules, and the other F16C and higher have 4 modules.
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Choosing the Belgian F-16AM is a somewhat strange decision, considering there’s already one in the game. I’m probably adding more fuel to the fire by suggesting this, but I think a Dutch F-16AM would be a much more interesting option, especially if it came with some unique camouflage schemes.
If you wanted to go the extra mile and lean into the collector/FOMO aspect a little more (though this isn’t necessary), you could even add a Jordanian F-16 preorder camouflage or an unlockable Jordanian skin, hell, make it a Jordanian F-16am. The reason I mention Jordan is that it also operates the Leclerc MBT, which creates an interesting opportunity for future content.
I’m not necessarily suggesting this should happen, but down the line you could introduce a Jordanian Leclerc premium and pair it with the F-16AM in sales or promotional events, since both vehicles are operated by the same country. It would help create a more unique identity for the vehicle while avoiding another Belgian F-16AM duplicate.
Just like the good old days.
here I would have thought that they would have gone for the rafale m f1. that seemed like the most logical, rational one to go for and given the F-14D it’s not like they can say they don’t do halo planes for premium packs at this point.
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also I would like to note how this F-16AM hurts the appeal of my Netz (mod) and feels like it kinda devalues it.
Why does it do that?
I mean I get the Netz mod sits at a lower BR that kinda justifies it, I guess, but it is infamous for getting no radar missiles in exchange for python 3s, ground attack is mainly just some mavericks, and meanwhile the F-16AM gets basically all the latest bells and whistles for an F-16. also on the tech tree side I may get some pretty unique planes but no rank IXs at the moment and my highest BR plane I can get is… lemme check 14.0. specifically a variant of the strike eagle so nothing I can grind out here that I can’t get with the F-14D or the F/A-18C early with the netz aside from versions able to carry the pythons which are also ending up on other tech trees as are the SPICE ordinance. meanwhile that other F-16AM could eventually let you get the RAFALE while being a much more objectively competitive aircraft in the meta and not sure how much more I need to elaborate there. basically I was when I posted that suffering a little buyer’s remorse at buying the netz seeing the F-16AM. oh also the advanced targeting pods it will be getting from this switch doesn’t help much
basically it wouldn’t hurt so much if I at least got python 4s.
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I understand what you’re saying about the F-16 Netz (Mod). However, Gaijin could always upgrade it to a more advanced variant, such as a Barak capable of firing AMRAAMs. They’ve already done something similar in the past with the CV 90105, replacing the original TML turret with the XC-8 turret.
Because of that precedent, I don’t think it’s necessary to add yet another F-16 premium to the Israeli tech tree. I could see them adding a unique F-15C (Early) at some point, although it might not come with AMRAAMs. If it did, it would likely become one of the strongest premium jets in the game. Realistically, an F-16 would probably sell better due to its versatility in both air and ground battles.
The point is that Gaijin is more than capable of replacing the current F-16 premium with a more advanced version, just as they did with the CV 90105. If they choose to do the complete opposite and simply add another F-16 premium instead, that would come across as pretty scummy.
They need to rework the countermeasures because these jets don’t really have that many right now. I’m not a huge fan of large calibre countermeasures.
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Thank you for the reassurance
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thankfully they’ve overturned that decision finally
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