If and when they finally decompress 13.0, I am prepared for the balance discussion.
FGR2, FG1, F-4J, and F-4S should be the namesakes of 12.0 IMO.
And anything notably stronger or weaker than them can be adjusted accordingly.
Like the F-4J UK that honestly should be 11.7 with having the worse of F-4S and the “worse” of FGR2 combined into one aircraft.
my thoughts exactly. its just going to get shredded by more frequent 13.0 and ability to see 13.3
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IMO just like the issue of F-16A in ARB cant be fixed by simple BR change or loadout change, neither can the F-4S inability to perform well in dogfight be fixed the same way.
Best fix for F-4S inability to perform well in dogfight would be to never get in one, which would require larger maps.
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This wouldn’t be a buff.
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Yeah let’s pretend like R-60M = 9L
They don’t have “11.3 SARH”
They have Skyflash DF.
Skyflash DF is an Aim-7E-2 equivalent
Do you consider Aim-7E-2 a 12.0 SARH?
They have pulse doppler radars.
and?
So does the Hawk 200 RDA and Viggen C. At 11.3 with Skyflash DFs
Gaijin constantly power creeping features lower than they should be is not an argument for saying these features now belong and start at their new low BRs. For example, just because Su-11 has been 7.3 for a long time now does not mean it is still not the outlier example of a 7.3 jet and cannot be used as the basis for comparison for other 7.3s.
The F-4E is probably the strongest 11.3 in the game, half because of its AIM-7E2 set. It does not even get a PD radar. To imply the same missiles (actually better ,since they’re skyflashes) would be considered “the same BR” on the power level scale with a PD radar set is ridiculous.
So you would say that Skyfalsh DF is equal in performance to the Aim-7F and Skyflash SuperTEMP?
Obviously not, I’m sure you’re aware of what BR compression is. Do you think PD radar + 7E2 is comparable to the non-existent radar missiles most other 11.3s get? Or the non-PD radar the strongest 11.3 gets?
I should not have to explain BR compression to long time veterans everyday for them to forget what it is the very next day.
Also, do you believe the AIM-9L is a 10.3 missile then? Please tell.
Right? And?
Aim-7F and Aim-7M is equal. Aim-7M is the msot common SARH found at 12.0+. So at least things like the Tornado F3 and F-4S stand a reasonable chance of at least matching the SARH performance of most things they face in an uptier.
Viggen D and FGR2 are fighting with a massive handicap with ntoably weaker SARH missiles that are usually found at 11.3 such as on the F-4E, Viggen C and Hawk 200 RDA.
Yes, obviously the game should be decompressed, and obviously if the game ever does get decompressed the FGR2 and Viggen D would sit at lower BRs than the F-4S and Tornado F3 as they have weaker missiles. But my statement is perfectly correct for the current state of the game.
Some 12.0s such as the Tornado F3 do fine, they have the radar, RWR, CMs, and missile kit to pose a threat to even aircraft in a full uptier. Something like the Viggen D with its much weaker RWR and far more limited missile kit, really doesnt and yet both are 12.0.
That is the statement I made.
Depends on the aircraft its facing. If given the choice between Hawk 200 RDA and Harrier T10. Harrier T10 wins every single time.
In its current 1 flare defeat state. To be honest. Its definetly somewhere in that BR range these days. Id call it a 10.7/11.0 weapon quite happily.
So you DO think the AIM-9L is a 10.3 missile… impeccable logic. PD radar completely changes how sparrows can be used. It is not a 11.3 tier of capability. The only two aircraft with this capability at or below 11.3 are a Hawk (so an A-10 equivalent, same exact reasoning for BR), and a JA37C which is simply an outlier aircraft that probably should be 11.7. Do not pretend that just because the 12.0 UK phantoms get 7E2s, and just because they are performing badly due to power creep and BR compression that you can get start saying the 7E2 with a PD radar set is somehow now a 11.3 tier of capability.
I really dont understand what the hell you are aguing about. You already agreed with me that Skyflash DF is not equal to Aim-7F and yet you are pretending its a 12.0 worthy weapon.
Like what are you even on about?
Do I need to explain this
In words of single syllables?
Didn’t say this once.
Average UK main syndrome atp.
Don’t pretend like PD radar set 7E2s are 11.3 tier and you won’t hear from me.
I see what you mean.
Personally I’d be happy with anything, I hold the Phantom very near and dear.
I would not like it to go the way of the A6
play the F-4E then
because this would suck big time, minor increase in IR missile capability compared to its peers in exchange for being able to meet 10 gorillion ARH missiles not even in a full uptier
I do play the F-4E, it’s one of my most used TT planes.