Nah not yet but from the sounds of their post we will probably be lucky to get more than a 50mm KE increase and even currently they didnt make an attempt at modeling the new NEA composite, they just put external steel plates on the turret and called it a day, i’d say regardless the SEPv3 is lowballed
The abrams is made with armor from a tin can you didnt know? Cleary gaijin has found the sekrit documents and knows the abrams hasnt changed ounce in 40ish years.
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it is a complex layer of pepsi and coke products. A true American blend.
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Nah your missing dr pepper and mtdew its what gives it its DU density increase from the older coke and pepsi m1’s
Archived article in Russian:
The M1 Abrams tank features powerful passive composite frontal armor, providing comprehensive protection against both kinetic and shaped-charge threats. The first M1 Abrams (1980) has a 663 mm thick frontal turret (62 mm outer steel plate, 500 mm composite armor, and 101 mm rear steel plate). The hull is protected by a 563 mm thick hull (equally thick rear and outer plates, plus a 400 mm composite armor hull).
On subsequent modifications, starting with the IPM1 (1984) and ending with the M1A2 SEPv2 (2008), the thickness of the frontal armor of the turret is (62 - 700 - 101) 863 mm, and the hull (62-500-101) 663 mm.
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Cant forget, the SpaghettiOs cans for a spall liner.
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- This PDF is Issue No. 40 of Taiwan’s National Defense and Security Weekly, published by the Institute for National Defense and Security Research on 29 March 2019. It contains an article titled “The Strategic Significance of the M1A2 Main Battle Tank Procurement,” discussing Taiwan’s planned acquisition of the M1A2 Abrams.
The article states that the M1A2C is the renamed M1A2 SEPv3 and describes it as an upgraded version with new armor, improved situational awareness, programmable ammunition support, CREW counter-IED equipment, upgraded power components, and an auxiliary power unit.
It also states that, according to public data, the M1A2 SEPv2 frontal armor provides approximately 960 mm of protection against kinetic-energy rounds and up to 1620 mm against chemical-energy warheads such as HEAT rounds and anti-tank missiles. However, the article uses the general term “frontal armor” and does not specify whether these values apply to the turret, hull, or the frontal arc as a whole.
- Also I found a Chinese Sina military article from 2004 that reproduces estimated Abrams armor protection values, including 560–590 mm RHAe KE / 510–1050 mm CE for the glacis and 580–650 mm RHAe KE / 800–970 mm CE for the lower front hull. However, these values appear to come from the older “Tank Protection Levels” internet table, which was later also reproduced on SinoDefence and Armorsite/Fprado. Therefore, this should be treated as an old secondary open-source estimate, not as an official Chinese technical report.
美军陆战核心：M1“艾布拉姆斯”坦克大传(组图)_新浪军事_新浪网
Although US tanks suffered direct hits from numerous Iraqi T-72 and T-72M tanks, enemy warheads simply could not penetrate the M1A1’s armor. The model equipped with this armor is called the M1A1 HA (HA being an abbreviation for heavy armor), offering the equivalent protection of 600mm of armor against fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds and 1300mm of armor against chemical energy projectiles (including shaped charge projectiles and anti-tank missiles).
The armor protection of the M1A1 Abrams currently in service is much stronger than that of the original M1A1HA model used in the first Gulf War in 1991.
- Another one article from Taiwan (translation needed):
https://www.mnd.gov.tw/NewUpload/202212/01摧毀敵多維登陸戰鬥載具及無人機戰法之研究-以M1A2T戰車為例-林維洸、高正熙中校_512922.pdf
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this is a crazy debate, i just love to enjoy the game tbh with or without the changes
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Man would any of those work as bug reporting sources considering i belive relic has its stats from nato reports, please correct me if im wrong
Maybe as a secondary sources?
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Damn, okay so atleast 15-20 years from now we will know the m1a2 hull so we just got to wait a little for a proper primary source to use with this.
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Also this might be interesting, this picture shows the APFSDS and HEAT-FS armor penetration principles
Figure 16 – Principle of kinetic-energy projectile penetration
APFSDS armor penetration principle
The table on the left compares tungsten and depleted uranium penetrators for a 120 mm gun:
Tungsten penetrator
- Mass / density: 3,728 g / 14.5 g/cm³
- Muzzle velocity: 1550 m/s
- Penetration: approximately 660 mm
- Description: during penetration, the tip of the penetrator becomes blunted / deformed.
Depleted uranium penetrator
- Mass / density: 4,911 g / 19.1 g/cm³
- Muzzle velocity: 1680 m/s
- Penetration: approximately 760 mm
- Description: during penetration, depleted uranium exhibits a self-sharpening effect, allowing the penetrator to maintain a sharp tip.
Comparison
- Depleted uranium: +810 g mass, +4.6 g/cm³ density, +100 m/s muzzle velocity, and approximately +100 mm penetration.
Figure 17 – Principle of chemical-energy projectile penetration
HEAT armor penetration principle
The text at the bottom states:
A 120 mm HEAT round can penetrate 660–780 mm of RHA within 2,000 meters.
Source shown under the figures:
Busujima Tōya, The Strongest Tank on Earth! Complete Tracking of the M1 Abrams Tank
Original title: 《地表最強戰車! M1 艾布蘭戰車徹底追蹤》
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Will someone compile a bug report based on these sources?
So, since the development team already had access to this information, why didn’t they use it right when the test server first launched, instead of waiting until the test server was about to close and after getting flooded with negative player feedback, before finally releasing a dev log saying they would adopt it? Isn’t that strange?
If you’re so strict about vehicle data in the game, then why do you suddenly become so indifferent when it comes to Russian vehicles?
Keep in mind that right now, Russian vehicles are the only ones in the entire game that lack fire control systems and electronic equipment—anyone who didn’t know better would think Russian tanks are powered by warp energy
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It will probably be the first T-Series with a turret basket too
yeah its the rule, anything in the chinese tech tree is required to be nerfered first before any russian equivalents lol
at least the cancer that is the BMPT has it, to be fair that thing is such a laser beam anyways that even without it your losing a barrel or getting lol penned as an Abrams, glad that’s getting fixed completely next update
is this new
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nah i think most new releases (last 3 updates) that have completely new models not based off another already in game have detailed models including, fcs so it likely would have been there on release similar to things like the stingray, m10booker, and the NASAMS 3 launcher
" The M1A3, a 1990s project. The changes to the hull geometry remained on paper. Source: IMPACT OF LOADING DISTRIBUTION OF ABRAMS SUSPENSION ON TRACK PERFORMANCE AND DURABILITY"
This is NOT where this is sourced from. The original Document has no name but would be named either, “Future Concept- M1A3” or “Armor Improvements M1AX.”
Not only did you not properly source the image you provided, sourcing it to some random load distribution document it never came from, you failed to credit the original uploader.
It comes from an Archive and @kreyton_m1e1 on twitter scanned and shared it, you should probably credit him or remove it and it’s erroneous source claim you made.
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