gotta love how two got denied for nonsensical reasons
“It’s not a bug. All similar vehicles have similar DM. In case of the Pantsir it’s an actual armor that protects ammo.” literally saying we dont care, this russian thing has it so HSTVL has to
and another denied based on an iffy bug report saying that the gun designation was wrong even though it seems to be that the gun was redesignated to XM247 with no changes, so its just an excuse to not buff it
and im guessing AAAC-III which is delta 3 has the pen of m774
i hope they atleast add delta 2 tbh
Hey Conraire, any updates to this? Now would be a good time to get it implemented with the new update coming out
New changes with the new update, XM885 got buffed in pen up to 500 meters, but it was nerfed past that
Nothing that I can see officially, other than the minor thing from Dev server posted above. Even that is subject to change.
M735, when is it going to be fixed?
So the Yak 141 gets stuff it never had, but he HSTLV which has more proof that it fired a better round, can’t get its round???
HSTV-L is a balancing rather than historical decision, Yak-141 is a prototype so has to be treated differently to all other existing vehicle. It is like Ho229, which might have barely flown, but we want to have it in game.
Said round would make it BR 12.0 - 12.3 depending on performance.
HSTVL is also a completed prototype, and not comparable to Kikka and Yak-141.
HSTVL is comparable to Object 435.
you missed the point the yak 141 is a prototype that has stuff it never had, it isn’t a real vehicle, the HSTVL is a complete prototype that has enough information proving what its fired, but it doesn’t get it.
Its like the KH38MT is still in the game, even though there is 0 proof hat its even a weapon used.
Exactly, 2S38 needs to be moved to 11.7 then the prem noobs can feel what we are feeling when our round pens but does no damage
Kikka and Yak-141 are not completed prototypes, they are not comparable to HSTVL and Abrams.
@Dragon_Storm_246 wants to move Begleit to 10.7 and HSTVL to 12.7 or they’re shilling for Russian equipment…
HSTVL has no armor, and it has been proven that its round is underperforming so I dont know what ur on about
Never said anything about the Abrams? the Object 435 is aa MBT, are you just ignoring what im typing or are you stupid?
HSTVL’s round causes armor spalling 2x as much, and pens 22% more than 2S38’s round.
HSTVL has double the mobility over Begleitpanzer and 2S38 which share mobility.
HSTVL’s the fastest tracked vehicle in the game.
The Russians could never come up with something anywhere as close to HSTVL; partly because of how much HSTVL costs.
worse fire rate, significantly less rounds, 2S38 Gen 3 thermals so on and so on, Its a vehicle from 2023 and Gaijin thinks its OK to have it at 10.3 while people grinding the US tree have to suffer with a 76mm round that has a worse fire rate which has been proven to be 1 second and not 1.5, as well as a round with worse pen than M735 while being significantly more modern. Do you really think the designers of the HSTVL would make a round that has worse pen than a prototype round from the early 70s (M735)??
And its been proven over and over and over again that XM885 is under performing
And Gaijin’s response is to add a RDFLT ( HSTVL Derivative) that compleately fixes that lack of ammo issue with the small cost of reduced mobility for a Wopping 70 USD. Except that XM885 is still dog water and Im guessing they are finally going to buff it to try to sell more RDFLTs because the round will be more useable to get kills
Your defense of 2S38 is noted and refuted with the following posts.
1- Fire rate of this caliber only matters against aircraft.
2- Amount of rounds of that caliber only matters against aircraft. Who’s using more than 30 rounds of APFSDS in any of these tanks? Besides players that don’t aim…
3- Thermal generation doesn’t dictate BR.
4- Year is irrelevant, also it’s from 2020 the same year as Leopard 2PL.
Type 16P is from 2016 firing M735.
If you’re getting 13 frags a match in HSTVL [running out of ammo], then you’re doing fine.
If you’re running out of ammo without even 8 frags, then your experience isn’t honed.
The round’s performance is correct in-game as proven via the Willi formula. It may or may not be misnamed, but misnaming something is common in War Thunder, especially for experimental systems.
In my HSTVL I’ve yet to see less than 13 rounds left in my tank, and I played a match where I fragged 5 tanks and 1 Mi-24.
And just curious how many games do you have played with the Hstvl