Issue with drones though are (also I am assuming you are talking about those of the MQ-1 and MQ-9, as well as others, like the RQ-4) don’t have the ability to hover, nor have guns to get close in damage on targets.
I’m going to be honest, good old R-U war drones with the unholy amalgamations of FPV drones and RPG-7 rockets ziptied together is really smart and devastating, but I’d honestly hate to fight them.
You think its ok that Russia gets a missile that out ranges everyone else, fires fast, but no one else can get a weapon with that range because gaijin keeps giving Russia things to keep them artificially ahead, i still don’t know where you come up with the u.s main cope from…
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Gaijin as a company has proven they are purposely nerfin the entire U.S Tech tree, weapons tanks planes even the PT boats.
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There still is no hellfire L
no Hellfire R
no terrain mapping
spikes are still completely garbage, and the U.S still has no fire and forget missile.
No Dircm on any of the helicopters or the Apaches / Cobras.
I could sit here all day and all night and list 10 more modifications that gaijin hasn’t added for who know why, or how the Abrams doesn’t have its actual armor, where are the M2 Bradley Linebackers? Why do none of the U.S Light tanks have their BUSK add-on armor yet? The F-15E is nerfed so much its not even a F-15E anymore.
No BOL pods. No Sniper ATP. Radars are shit. The KH-38MT is blatantly fake as proven in the kh-38mt thread. The F-15C being 400 kilos fatter than it should. The M1A2 issues. Mavericks underperfoming. AIM-54/120 not having a smokeless motor. AIM-54/120C-5 not being able to maneuver enough. The severe handicap in WVR compared to the rafale/ Su-30sm. The sever lack of spaa. The handicapped TADS. How is the AIM-120"C-7" as fast or slower than the AIM-9X? F-15E’s inability to use 240 or 180 Countermeasures while having the TGP
Did i miss something? Probably but you get the idea
Absolutely laughable statement…
And the KA-50/52 don’t have their LMUR…
Spikes are not bad, but they aren’t one shot kills like the AGM-114’s, they do better at killing other helicopters than actually killing tanks imho
No one has that…
Not to mention the first helicopter to ever incorporate terrain following was the KA-50…
Stinger being held back because russian manpad cant do it so neither can NATO
ADATS being shit and they refuse to fix it despite like 10 bug reports that got passed to them ages ago
M735 being nerfed using false sources 2 years later they still refuse to fix it after saying it was a mistake
Several abrams bug reports that got accepted and sit in limbo for years
Hellfire being horribly modelled again not fixed
The list goes on and ive honestly forgot alot of these issues at this point
The stinger is notably worse than the Igla in a few aspects, but its late, so I’ll go in depth tomorrow.
The RAH-66 supposedly minimised the radar cross section of the main rotor by making them out of fibreglass (and other composite materials) that are largely transparent to radar waves (hence radomes are made of fibreglass). That combined with careful shaping an RAM supposedly reduced the RCS significantly.
Have you got a source for that? Everything I’ve seen said they achieved an RCS at least 250-300x smaller than that of a conventional helicopter, which I would hardly describe as “barely changed”
See above.
While other nations get fighters with AESA/PESA radars, F-15, F/A-18 and F-16 are still soldiering on with mechanical scanning ones, and limited NCTR capability.
Limited access to LJDAM
TUSK II has only 5mm KE.
Nerfed M830A1
M908 that almost no one uses.
AGM-65H/K still not coming
Okay, for starters, the Igla is better than the stinger, in many ways, most notably being about 1.5x more accurate, as well as a larger warhead.
Those alone make it a much better candidate, not to mention the stinger queefs dust it’s so old. The igla has a quicker out of the tube reaction time irl, not to mention it’s got a hell of a gyro in it, I mean, have you heard it spool up? It sounds just like a Strela-10 about to launch.
The ADATS is fine now that it got the SPAA tag and spawn cost, I haven’t heard many complaints from anyone other than minor stuff about machineguns or something.
Yeah, I’ll give you the 100% agreement on that.
That’s literally bug reports, the JA37’s are missing a rotating wheel truck animation that’s been accepted and acknowledged for over 4 years…
The hellfire is in no way modeled wrong, it has the incorrect flight path, but the damage of it is more than accurate.
Please list all you can think of I’ve probably got more than enough evidence to disprove a few.
In what way, It’s not IRL. For detail I’d point you towards;
It would be a waste of the very much finite mass budget imposed by requiring man portable / shoulder launch capabilities and so to frivolously spend it on the warhead where you could materially improve performance by extending the Motor (as an example) instead, would make no sense, yes.
Due to said limited mass budget there are very much finite limits on what can be achieved without breakthroughs in energetics technology; as there is little point to making a missile that can’t make use of it’s kinematic performance due to a sub-par seeker, or could only do so with a datalink.
Though with the NGSRI program it will probably replaced at some point this decade or early next.
There are issues with the missiles not having correct elevation and are held back by sight limits, and assorted issues like the lack of TWS, NCTR and Auto-lead functionality.
That is the sum and total of the major issue(s), the performance is inaccurate since it is tuned to make the distance in a set time, as such with the flight path and terminal intercept angle being erroneous causes the subsequent issues.
A thread from seething US mains means nothing, not to mention South Africa’s testing of the Igla has proved it’s a better system than the stinger, and Mexico has chosen the Igla over the stinger. And that’s just the pudding, no stats, which I don’t have time to pull tonight.
In the case of Russian explosives, specifically AI-X 2 (iirc) that little amount, even in equal volume to the Stinger speaks massive volumes. While yes, accuracy over volume with MANPADS is ideal, it’s just not always the case.
Well, that’s the issue with every system in game, just because a specific SAM system doesn’t baby you, and gun SPAA’s don’t calculate lead and lock on and fire when you pull the trigger, no aiming required.
As for the hellfire, yes, that is its issue. Also not mentioning the newest Russian MANPAD, the Igla-S which fixed some of the drawbacks of the older models. The Igla is also a better bang for your buck if anything, being about half the price of the Stinger while being better, if not equal to the stinger.
Would you prefer the “Accepted” bug reports Gaijin have been sitting on for a few days short of a year now?
Considering that said features are implemented on other SPAA, it would be nice to have the similarly modeled for relevant systems.
I think that inventory size would be a valid point had it not gotten to the point where scale of production and requirement not been so large (1:1 rolling replacement for the FIM-43 Redeye, 85,000 AURs as a baseline contract) that the requisite volume of production reduces unit cost sufficiently, also as basically the only Short range system for the US “Gold Plating” it makes sense in context for their use case and expected threat.
And if they really needed another ersatz short range system, the RIM-116, APKWS II (AGR-20) and AIM-9X are right there for Vehicle mounted launch cases.
Do you have any material proof for this claim? I’ve got proof that (at least) the basic Igla is functionally similarly to the FIM-43 Redeye.
Yeah, with the developments from red wasp program it has a lot of potential
They refuse to fix anything and add new content, that’s how they make money, not bug fixing their free vehicles. Also wrongly accepted and changed vehicles have happened in the past, RIP viggen FM ywbm, and there are flight manuals which inherently state the persons math was wrong, yet the refuse to fix it, just like this.
my point was it removes the little skill required to use these systems.
Not the Igla, the earlier 9K32 Strela-2 are practically identical, down to everything minus the missile internals and visual cues of the launcher.
(Strela-2)
(FIM-43)
As for:
I assume you’re talking about ‘that war’ in ‘that area’ and how much they are being used?
Either way, 60-80 grand compared to 150
64D uses the K’s, RAH-66 uses the B’s
the igla better than the stringer? Oh give me a break. The Stinger has a 20-22g lock limit IRL in this game its 13. Every other game out there has the real g lock, and not to mention has other variants of stinger missiles. You ignore all the proof in your eyes at how gaijin treats the U.S and U.K tech lines How many year did it take for them to fix the stormer after they said it was better than the 2S6? This company will spit in your face and say its raining.
You really are about as dense as a lead brick. The hellfire missiles in this game dont act like any Hellfire Missiles at all. None of the U.S Munitions behave like they should. The TOW2B doesn’t even do what it should do, and that absolutely reduce every tank that it detonates over into molten shards of slag.
Where are the proximity based stinger missiles? The fire and forget hellfire’s, the 750 SPAWN cost UAV is firing the wrong hellfire missile it should be the R variant that has a max range of 15 miles. All the U.S Ammo in this game isn’t up to Military standards, and who ever made the Abrams in this game should be slapped.
The turret of a M1A2 being Penned by a russian 9m133 has alot of my friends dying from laughter. Then the Sep variants, You look at the sep variants and dont question why they have the same armor as a M1A2 from the 1990s?
The M735 penetrating LESS THAN the iSRAELI M111? the same round found on the Merkava tanks? The M111 IS BASED ON THE M735 How in the actual fuck does gaijin make a blunder this stupid? Do they have monkeys as devs?
M111 is actually based on 105mm DM23, but sure, as for the rest, I’m busy hiking in Canada right now.
Compare the explanation given in the MANPADS article
and from the Redeye Patent (US3010677A) “Figure -9”, and following exerpt;
Consequently, the wings are extended for a portion of .each roll cycle; the center of the extension periods coincides with the desired direction of lift, and the width of the period is a function of the error signal magnitude. This wing extended time is called the lift sector. The desired-direction lift and quadrature lift which result are also shown in FIGURE 9.
Actually, the lift force generated by the wings is only a fraction of the required lift force. The remainder of the force is provided by the fuselage; Since body angle of attack lags behind wing force in time, the reference coil must be rotated through a lag angle with respect to the wings. This lag angle is such that the net lift force (wing plus body) is in the direction of the target.
Not particularly just making the point that the unit cost may be the deciding factor in the decisions , not performance for some militaries due to a lack of funding, Quantities needed to sustain the inventory, limited “actual” risk. And more generally the actual performance of both far outstrips that of the most common targets (helicopters & drones) anyway, and an encounter with (even basic) IRCM systems is still going to be fairly rare and so the (later) Stinger’s leg up in that area is rarely leveraged.
And what’s the cost of whatever they are defending? should the Igla not be able to deal with the threat, where the Stinger could?
Was originally 18G, was reduced in 1.97, apropos of nothing
Time stamped video lists ATAS as 18G overload on the 1.91 devserver, The reduced performance was implemented with 1.97
Isn’t it the -114P for UAV’s?
there is also an extended range AGM-114R that so far has only been used on drones
They are easily equally capable at a minimum. The significance of its current ‘active duty’ has shown it’s more than capable, if not more capable than Stinger MANPAD’s.
If anything, the Igla is based on the Stinger more so than the redeye, here’s a picture of the missiles so it’s more clear…
They look similar yet use different IR Values and seeker head materials
Here, from the United States CIA.
Here is stinger info, also from the CIA.
Here’s some 3rd party info from the wiki, yeah, wiki, be pissed if you want. Just go down to the ‘comparison with other manpads’
