Horrible maneuverability, payload capacity and speed. It was shot down in 1999 by a cold war SAM.
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Yes, because the US made the mistake of flying the same flight path several times including in daylight, so the SAM site was already aimed and active. But, they only got lock after the F-117 had opened its internal weapons bay. The stealth worked perfectly, what got it shot down was human error and oversight
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It had little to do with the weapons bay, the primary reason why it was shot down was because the operators of the SAM broke multiple engagement regulations and put themselves in danger in the act of it.
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I mean… Sure… From a 1000ft fuzzy perspective you’re not entirely wrong in everything you just said.
But let’s dissect it bit by bit.
Well… Yeah, it’s basically a flying diamond, as was required to do the RCS calculations with the technology of the time. But the same could be said of any aircraft which would have been tasked with its designed role which was to drop bombs on Soviet command and control centers, silos, etc such as the F-111, B-52, etc
Which again, met it’s design purpose. Carrying bunker busters for specific strategic targets. Are you saying you wish they had built the proposed “super-sized F-117” because I don’t think anyone would disagree given an infinite budget.
It was shot down by luck and a good bit of arrogance/complacency in SOPs on the part of the Ops personnel.
Yet prior to this it proved untouchable by the least permissive air environment on the planet short of Soviet Moscow on multiple occasions.
When it was built no other aircraft on the planet could fill its role, and it took decades for it to be even close to equalled by an aircraft built in another country. You could pull them out of mothball right now and they would still have a purpose in every air force on the planet that can’t buy the F-35 or isn’t China or Russia.
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Ut have RWR now.
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Honestly, while I am astonished it took that long to get shot down, I’m confused as to why it took the Soviet Union, who had ISRT technology on their MiG-23 in 1970 didn’t just patrol the skies in pairs, one with radar, one with IRST, wait for them to open their bay, get a radar lock, slave the IRST of the other plane, and launch an R-23T.
not Russia in specifically obviously, that’d have started the Cold War, but other nations used them a lot against the US.
Technological Issue.
Deal with it.
Because drones were cheaper, easier to build and didn’t have to worry about lives being lost.
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Aight bro, saying technological issue while the US mains are all crying about the KH-38 range is crazy…
Not to mention the fact that other nations didn’t need stealth aircraft, as it didn’t fit into their war doctrine, and now the SU-57 (not the M3 style halftrack) and J-20 are emerging as modern aircraft that compete over the F-22
Issue with drones though are (also I am assuming you are talking about those of the MQ-1 and MQ-9, as well as others, like the RQ-4) don’t have the ability to hover, nor have guns to get close in damage on targets.
I’m going to be honest, good old R-U war drones with the unholy amalgamations of FPV drones and RPG-7 rockets ziptied together is really smart and devastating, but I’d honestly hate to fight them.
You think its ok that Russia gets a missile that out ranges everyone else, fires fast, but no one else can get a weapon with that range because gaijin keeps giving Russia things to keep them artificially ahead, i still don’t know where you come up with the u.s main cope from…
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There still is no hellfire L
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no Hellfire R
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no terrain mapping
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spikes are still completely garbage, and the U.S still has no fire and forget missile.
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No Dircm on any of the helicopters or the Apaches / Cobras.
I could sit here all day and all night and list 10 more modifications that gaijin hasn’t added for who know why, or how the Abrams doesn’t have its actual armor, where are the M2 Bradley Linebackers? Why do none of the U.S Light tanks have their BUSK add-on armor yet? The F-15E is nerfed so much its not even a F-15E anymore.
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No BOL pods. No Sniper ATP. Radars are shit. The KH-38MT is blatantly fake as proven in the kh-38mt thread. The F-15C being 400 kilos fatter than it should. The M1A2 issues. Mavericks underperfoming. AIM-54/120 not having a smokeless motor. AIM-54/120C-5 not being able to maneuver enough. The severe handicap in WVR compared to the rafale/ Su-30sm. The sever lack of spaa. The handicapped TADS. How is the AIM-120"C-7" as fast or slower than the AIM-9X? F-15E’s inability to use 240 or 180 Countermeasures while having the TGP
Did i miss something? Probably but you get the idea
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Absolutely laughable statement…
And the KA-50/52 don’t have their LMUR…
Spikes are not bad, but they aren’t one shot kills like the AGM-114’s, they do better at killing other helicopters than actually killing tanks imho
No one has that…
Not to mention the first helicopter to ever incorporate terrain following was the KA-50…
Stinger being held back because russian manpad cant do it so neither can NATO
ADATS being shit and they refuse to fix it despite like 10 bug reports that got passed to them ages ago
M735 being nerfed using false sources 2 years later they still refuse to fix it after saying it was a mistake
Several abrams bug reports that got accepted and sit in limbo for years
Hellfire being horribly modelled again not fixed
The list goes on and ive honestly forgot alot of these issues at this point
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The stinger is notably worse than the Igla in a few aspects, but its late, so I’ll go in depth tomorrow.
The RAH-66 supposedly minimised the radar cross section of the main rotor by making them out of fibreglass (and other composite materials) that are largely transparent to radar waves (hence radomes are made of fibreglass). That combined with careful shaping an RAM supposedly reduced the RCS significantly.
Have you got a source for that? Everything I’ve seen said they achieved an RCS at least 250-300x smaller than that of a conventional helicopter, which I would hardly describe as “barely changed”
See above.
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While other nations get fighters with AESA/PESA radars, F-15, F/A-18 and F-16 are still soldiering on with mechanical scanning ones, and limited NCTR capability.
Limited access to LJDAM
TUSK II has only 5mm KE.
Nerfed M830A1
M908 that almost no one uses.
AGM-65H/K still not coming
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Okay, for starters, the Igla is better than the stinger, in many ways, most notably being about 1.5x more accurate, as well as a larger warhead.
Those alone make it a much better candidate, not to mention the stinger queefs dust it’s so old. The igla has a quicker out of the tube reaction time irl, not to mention it’s got a hell of a gyro in it, I mean, have you heard it spool up? It sounds just like a Strela-10 about to launch.
The ADATS is fine now that it got the SPAA tag and spawn cost, I haven’t heard many complaints from anyone other than minor stuff about machineguns or something.
Yeah, I’ll give you the 100% agreement on that.
That’s literally bug reports, the JA37’s are missing a rotating wheel truck animation that’s been accepted and acknowledged for over 4 years…
The hellfire is in no way modeled wrong, it has the incorrect flight path, but the damage of it is more than accurate.
Please list all you can think of I’ve probably got more than enough evidence to disprove a few.
In what way, It’s not IRL. For detail I’d point you towards;
It would be a waste of the very much finite mass budget imposed by requiring man portable / shoulder launch capabilities and so to frivolously spend it on the warhead where you could materially improve performance by extending the Motor (as an example) instead, would make no sense, yes.
Due to said limited mass budget there are very much finite limits on what can be achieved without breakthroughs in energetics technology; as there is little point to making a missile that can’t make use of it’s kinematic performance due to a sub-par seeker, or could only do so with a datalink.
Though with the NGSRI program it will probably replaced at some point this decade or early next.
There are issues with the missiles not having correct elevation and are held back by sight limits, and assorted issues like the lack of TWS, NCTR and Auto-lead functionality.
That is the sum and total of the major issue(s), the performance is inaccurate since it is tuned to make the distance in a set time, as such with the flight path and terminal intercept angle being erroneous causes the subsequent issues.
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A thread from seething US mains means nothing, not to mention South Africa’s testing of the Igla has proved it’s a better system than the stinger, and Mexico has chosen the Igla over the stinger. And that’s just the pudding, no stats, which I don’t have time to pull tonight.
In the case of Russian explosives, specifically AI-X 2 (iirc) that little amount, even in equal volume to the Stinger speaks massive volumes. While yes, accuracy over volume with MANPADS is ideal, it’s just not always the case.
Well, that’s the issue with every system in game, just because a specific SAM system doesn’t baby you, and gun SPAA’s don’t calculate lead and lock on and fire when you pull the trigger, no aiming required.
As for the hellfire, yes, that is its issue. Also not mentioning the newest Russian MANPAD, the Igla-S which fixed some of the drawbacks of the older models. The Igla is also a better bang for your buck if anything, being about half the price of the Stinger while being better, if not equal to the stinger.