There is solid info that states the Rafale that was downed, was hit by a PL-15E at a range of ~210km over the border.
The seekerhead was found alongside wreckage of the Rafale
The wreckage was confirmed to be ~100km from the border, but supposing Pakistan launched behind the border and it wasn’t from the closest point it could well be beyond that, but I doubt 200km.
That was the one with documentation, but there was a ‘claimed’ (only by Russian sources) to be 213km downing, but no reports from the other side considers this totally valid. Most western sources considers this one the longest kill. Maybe that one was derived from a false interpretation of this one but IDK.
The only solid info there is, is that one Rafale was downed by Pakistan. I consider CNN fairly reputable, anything else is honestly speculation.
Yeah, and that’s not the fault of the Rafale or anyone who bug reported it. The problem is the devs being stubborn, like the majority of problems in this game spring from. But fixating on two meaningless changes as the crucial balancing factor for the Rafale is foolish.
Rafale overperformance isn’t such a simple issue that hiding two pylons and disabling HMD can fix instantly.
We’ve seen pictures of M88s and MICAs on the floor. That alone confirms rafale kills. French officials as well have confirmed it. I do agree with u that the rest is mainly speculation, but we do have some proof on our back. The current speculation of the range is based off two things 1. the range of the crash site to the border, which is near 100km, and 2. the fact that both countries agrees that no planes crossed the border. Given the rafale is in advance and it is unlikely any pakistani jet would literally be on the border on launch it is very possible this is a long ranged shot, but whether 200km on launch is not confirmed. Also just saying some suggested it may have been a SAM kill, but so far no SAM remnants are picked up and 100+ if not 150+ km SAM kill will be no more incredible than a 200km AAM kill.
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A few photos to back this up. This ain’t an ongoing conflict anymore, right?
Not saying you’re making this conclusion but I have seen people make the jump that because it crashed nearly 100km from the border, that must have been where it was struck, or the exact area was the location of the aircraft upon launch of the missile.
You’re right about that, the crash sites are impossible to definitely highlight the points of impact nvm launch, but I don’t think the jet could have travelled that far post impact, so it is reasonable for the impact to be somewhere close (in a few miles range). Also some aircrafts’ direction can be determined, such as a rafale seemed to be heading back when struck 100km or so inside the border, so the missile would have travelled at least 100km or so, which is quite a long range, and the fact that it hit a target running away would be quite impressive. So overall it’s a mix of crash sites and the direction of jets that we’ve sort of came to the conclusion of some long distance kills.
It seemed like a few are also hit advancing unsuspectingly, which was weird suggesting potentially the datalink guidance may be supplied by the AWACS.
Rafale is good at like, 1v1s. It’s otherwise not that good. F-15s are way better because amraams.
damn your bait is getting weaker and weaker.
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Yes I agree. I think they should give either MICA NG EM or Meteor so that Rafale can finally compete.
What part of the amraam allows the F15 to be better than a rafale, please elaborate.
More range. I can hit 30km shots with aim 120c-5 but never with mica, not even 20km shots.
You’re getting turned into a skill issue speech bubble
thats a bit dramatic, rafale is annoying its not THAT annoying
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Just genuinely insane take, the MICA is completely dominant within the 25Km window, especially from a Rafale.
Whereas an AIM-120 has about a 10% chance of hitting an aware target within it’s optimal launch window, even less at BVR distances, compared to the 70+% of the MICA
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You’re not going to change their opinion, they have a ridiculous personal vendetta against the Rafale and the French tech tree because of the Rafale. Don’t bother. That person will only be satisfied if the Rafale is literally nerfed so hard it becomes even less viable to play than the Mystere IVc.
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If you cannot defeat an AMRAAM fired at 30km. Its a skill issue. Especially if you are in a Rafale
Even up high and very fast in the Typhoon. Im rarely firing a C5 past 25km and its insanely rare to actually connect. Usually im targeting someone who is in a bad position to defend against me due to fighting someone else
99% of fights occur well within the effective range of the MICA
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Its not a personal vendetta to point out that the rafale is the best plane in the game… by a fairly good margin
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the only way i can defeat a rafale is fighting it at 30km with r77-1
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I’ve found doing the r771+ stealth 27er launch works sometimes cause the 27er is such a nasty missile