All you talk about is win rates, which prove nothing.
Jagdpanzer IV: 45% win rate.
P-51H5NA: 55%.
Top win rates in statshark:
66%: P-51C-11-NT.
65.5%: Ki-67-I Otsu
65.4%: MB157.
68%: Sd.Kfz.234/1.
63%: Sd.Kfz.234/3.
The two OP vehicles at the top of this list have lower win rates than the other vehicles…
so why do nations with meta vehicles have a higher win rate even in highly populated nations in the game? Does this mean that skilled players are secretly grouping together to play those at the right times, while average players arent?
They don’t.
M1A2s sit at 45.6%.
The OP jet F-18A sits at 49% in USA.
F-15A sits at 47%.
J-11 sits at 52.7%.
ZTZ96: 48 - 51%.
And so on. I can go through all meta vehicles and find most of them sit around 50% win rate.
Even better, why IT and GB typhoon’s winrate differs by about 20%.
Does that mean that actual idiots, considerably worse than US, choose to grind IT and the elite of the elite goes for GB?
(also makes a guess which one of those gets perma matched with FR, and which one against)
All those vehicles have specific conditions that lead to those numbers, M1A2, for example had over a 50% winrate just 2 or 3 months ago, maybe even higher, and thats with it being a super popular vehicle. As for the F-18A, the same jet in another nation has a 57% winrate, but thats not about average player skill, its way more about matchmaking+meta vehicle than anything else.
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In air RB with mixed teams, 2 identical aircraft performing differently is because of the average player skill in that plane.
However, high winrates can correlate to having better vehicles, but the stats you should be looking at are K/D and K/B. Both of those have the Rafale way above everything else, and just comparing it to others makes it seem undertiered.
That argument only applies to ground outside of top tier (usually). Trying to use it for air RB is foolish because of the shorter grind and lack of lineup quality.
this argument isnt absolute, you’re making the same mistake wisla made in your statements, explain to me how, in a game that favors RNG all the time, skill could possibly influence winrate more than the combo of matchmaking + meta vehicles
No you are onto something, as you can clearly see, between the identical typhoons the minor nation one (italy) performs better than the major nation one (Britian). Oh actually the major nation performs better? Impossible, the italian playerbase is supposed to be 9000% better!
Take a wild guess which one gets teamed with france more often?
Britain isn’t a major nation, more popular, yes, but not major. Just for clarification.
This seems like the forum to ask, is their a reason why the rafale in game has HMD radar queuing in game other than for balance, I’ve seen multiple people discuss the fact the fr3 non exported version never had that.
First question, is that true?
And second one, if so wouldn’t it be an easy way to slightly nerf the rafales insane off boresight potential especially while in a notch? I genuinely would appreciate it someone had some knowledge regarding this.
It’s time to split the French to both teams, I had this match maker the other day, max BR on the enemy team was 14.0… we had 6 Rafs and an EFT…
Pretty much yeah. Iirc the Rafale entered the dev without HMD and only 6 MICAs, because thats how they are in french service. However the French playerbase apparently managed to prove that the HMD 8 MICA combo was tested on french Rafales and that was enough for Gaijin to add it to the Rafale we have in game now.
It would but Gaijin rarely removes features after something hits the live server (and for some reason they seem to be completely fine with the current top tier air situation)
thank you for the answer that was very informative, but this raised so many more questions now lol.
Like what sources did they manage to actually find that verified this and is this not a worrying trend for the game if their were none,( also makes me wonder if people are gonna manage to find a way to argue the f22 should get HMD with how the French player base managed it lol.)
No idea what sources they used you can probably get an answer in the Rafale thread for that.
Its a bit annoying, because its once again completely selective by Gaijin, the german EFT also tested PIRATE yet every attempt to get it in game has been rebuffed.
It all seems very much like double r77 rack all over again.
Thing X was used on plane Y, therefore we will implement X on other planes which seem “applicable”.
(c) Gaijin, likely.
Eh feels a bit different, the Rafale stuff seems to be actually the relevant version of the plane while the double R77 rack is just taken from a different plane
yeah one was just eh it would probably fit, and the other was it was present on a near identical export model
I dont think its that, iirc they actually proved that France tested that loadout on french Rafales
oh, i was looking through it seemed they used an Indian export model, your probably right though.
nvm I remebered further that was for the 8 hard point micas not hmd
The reason is just blatant pandering. Gaijin figured out a way to make ppl buy french premium jets (making the Rafale wildly overpowered then buffing it ever patch since it was added). It has nothing to do with “balance”, the Rafale would still likely be the best jet in-game without the HMD, it would just make it more reasonable to deal with pending actual competitors.
Yes, the french never used an HMD on the Rafale F3R in service, it was apparently tested, and gaijin plays fast an loose with “tested” equipment, adding tested equipment to some jwts they like or can make money off of, and refusing to do so for other jets.
Most obvious/recent case of this dichotomy being the Rarale getting an HMD it tested, but the german EFT not getting PIRATE, which it tested, and is a literal drop in module anytime the germans decide they wanna add it.
Imo, jets should only ever get “tested” equipment when absolutely necessary to buff an aircraft that is underperforming or to fill a capability gap, neither of which the Rafales HMD and German EFT PIRATE fall into.
Yes, it is the easiest, most reasonable, and most historically accurate way to tone down the Rafale, but the Rafale mains cry bloody murder anytime its raised as a point, and the devs are never gonna do it in the first place, since they’re making tons of money by destroying air battles as a whole, and gaijin is all about that short term gain for long term pain.
Pretty sure that isnt the case, seeing as the person that made the Rafale thread in the first place and is generally the person Id trust the most on the forums about Rafale info was actively trying to stop it from getting the 2 extra MICA’s and last I checked still states it not to be a configuration of the French Rafale F3R.
Pretty sure the Rafale fanboys just spammed the devs with enough lies about the 8x missile load that they managed to get one through. The bug reporting situation around the Rafale in general in-game has been just filled with various lies from the bug reporters which gaijin seems to have been keen on letting slip through more often than not.
