you start by mocking me, then ask your questions?
figure it out yourself,… i’m done dealing with a community of crybabies
and if moderation could put a me 6months ban,… to treat that addiction to come and try to discuss with people, it would be fine.
Mocking you where exactly, my issue is with Rafale and it’s fanatics, if you fall into that category then you are doing something wrong.
Probably seen this graph a bajillion times, but just to illustrate.
At this point I am honestly curious what dark beings have been conjured to reveal the wisdom of MICA seeker actually being better than some placeholder value Gaijin made up.
HOWEVER those…
major hardware upgrade to guidance
minor hardware upgrade to guidance
improved software
…are of no value.
If this isnt French bias, I dont even know what is. Lol.
I understand that this isnt necessarily much to work off, so lets take a look at a proper proof then, the MICA evidence:
definitely better missile load, gets 2 more pl-12s.
I think j10c might become best jet fm wise if they model it with similar weight to current one with 2k kgf more thrust.
imo best rafale competitor outside of grippy e if it gets derbies
I’m sure the fact that the French mirage being on the same team as the Rafale has nothing to do with its better stats and it’s just the superior French playerbase just being more handsome and intelligent.
And it won’t placate the Rafale hate brigade (Pink M guy) who will continue crying bloody murder. The only way to dethrone it is to actually attack the problem from two sides rather than just one.
Take away HMD or 2 missiles+update FM to be accurate (high speed drag+engine power fix+nose pointing improvement) and improve viability of long range ARH attacks and the Rafale will be much less competitive while pulling others (EF2000, Su-30 and F-15E; but especially Su-30SM with the ridiculousness of 14 excellent missiles) up to par. MICA will (and should) remain a highly consistent short range threat but there will be a point to attacking at distance where Rafale (and Mirage 2000) are known to be deficient.
MICA is actually the most vulnerable to MP crutch forcefield. As the ARH with the smallest warhead a near miss will do absolutely nothing while missiles with larger warheads will deal a small splash of light damage. AIM-120 and R-77 in my experience will regularly turn people from low flying airplanes into burning fireballs as long as they’re launched from higher alt, but MICA basically needs to drop on someone’s face from high above to hit them hard enough to matter.
Not in my experience, off all the fox 3s I’ve used (everything besides R-77-1 and phoenix), I’ve found a top down MICA to be pretty much a guaranteed kill, alongside the likes of the PL-12, they have extremely high HOBs capability, which paired with semi-decent positioning and radar awareness allows you to ignore multipathing by putting missiles kinetically straight through an enemy jet
This applies to notches too, they are the least vulnerable to angle gating and have the highest tendency to re-aquire a target
That’s consistent with my experience, a top-down attack is reliable for MICA but AIM-120 and R-77 will be just fine for an attack from only slightly higher alt and a few KM behind against a MP crutch forcefield player. Top down attacks with AIM-120 and R-77 also work very well but if they have to chase someone on the deck from a slight alt advantage they work way better than MICA does.
Let’s take this one step further. Why is the Italian Eurofighter performing worse than the British one even though you would think that the smaller player base would make it more elite?
And yet you are not regularly scoring 9 kill games at any BR. You cherry-picked one game where the whole lobby played like bots. I also have a 9 kill games in the F6F-5N when they were harder to achieve due to smaller lobbies.
Compare SB stats. He is an SB player.
He picked the Jas-39C Gripen in DEFYNs stats as a point of comparison…which is a plane that he hasn’t touched since IRCCM meta and and that he deliberately stat-padded in order to prove the point that it was the most handheld plane at the time of introduction.
DEFYNs performance and win rate in the Rafale is a good bit better than in the Eurofighter and it is statistically significant.
It’s like me saying that the Rafale isn’t overpowered because my KD in the Fw-190D9 is better.
The aircraft you’ve mentioned are still within the same performance capability group as the functional Rafale F4 we have in-game. If we only had Rafale F2 with just 6 MICAs, that aircraft wouldn’t be in the same realm as the mentioned very late 4th gen aircraft that should be in the realm of Rafale F4.
Especially something like the Su-35 and Eurofighter T4 which offers ESA radars, sensor suites and etc. Even if the current Rafale cannot be dethroned or matched, it wouldn’t be fair to say it shouldn’t be added alongside the previously mentioned aircraft unless the other solution is to add it with 5th gen jets?
Didn’t this update just add fuel to the fire for the Rafale meta？
The mica hits me even flying over water. Only the mica has ever done this…
What are you talking about?
explain
What’s funny to me is that out of this list we will probably just see the Gripen and J10 in the next update, which makes the others even more overdue than they already are.
That’s just my opinion ofc.
I’m sure the devs are still planning to add that abomination that is the F18E tho, that one will surely prompt the Rafale is outdated thread.
Yes, with this update, the altitude limit at which the white line appears has been raised, making it even more difficult to spot the Rafale.
Sorry, this is a translation, so the nuances may have changed quite a bit
I expect J10C to be the best competitor in terms of 1v1, followed by su-35, but Idk whether they will introduce PL12A and how great will the new Chinese engine be in the game.
J10A has absolutely insane nose authority especially at low speed, so it’s def formidable in the late game. The longer it survives the better it becomes.
However Air RB isn’t 1v1. With the vapor cloud change, as well as the stupidly terrible drags J10A gets, J10C just can’t simply be too aggresive or run away when things aren’t right. Meanwhile the lack of top speed undermines missile performance greatly.
So now it seems Su-35 will be better in mid-long range engagements with those R771s.
As for J16s, you’ve seen how they treated US and Chinese tech trees. They haven’t added a single PAR jet to US and Chinese tech tree until this update, introducing the terrible F15CGE. I suspect they wont be adding J16s before su57 comes out.
You mean the vapor clouds changed
This is true, and not only rafales benefit from this. Su30 and typhoons also take advantage of their missiles with better retentions and can launch earlier.
Yeah I highly doubt the J16 is anywhere near being added tbh, with the J10C in the files and the Su30mkk leaked (to be added after the jh7) I can’t really see the chinese getting 3 jets at once.