Rafale's reign in a top-tier RB?

FM wise yes, playerbase performance? Debatable, especially with how braindead the Hornet Zombies are. It’s a 12.3 performing aircraft that are still undertiered as of today.

In your Typhoon? Maybe there’s a disparity here, I play in UTC +7, the timezone which Chinese Playerbase mostly play together. Most of my Typhoon game, 8 out of 10 always teamed up with France, I recently statpadding my Gripen, oh boy it’s so easy to play it due to so much BOL but also I always teamed up with France.

at +0. Id roughly say its 50/50, though I dont really pay attention all that much either. If nothing else. I have 100% seen them in my NCTR and generally dont waste a long range AMRAAM when I do see them

also, just wait until we actually get BOL and not the wet napkin Gaijin models it as

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Yes. I mean by that

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I believe British Hornets would be the best again, especially with the Top Tier Hornet, although it isn’t as much as the Finnish Hornet, the playstyle wouldn’t be that different with Gripen, and again, Britain would always teamed up with France anyway lol.

I dont plan on touching the 14.0 one at the moment. I dont think I can be bothered to stock grind at least.

12.3 one, i’ll get when I get, but wont play it often.

Here lies the problem with Rafale being Gaijin’s favourite Daughter, there’s so much way to balance out Rafale without hurting Rafale performance, it is either:

  1. Fixing other aircraft (which is the most easy thing they do but they don’t do)
  2. Releasing new Gen 4.5, maybe like J-10C so Chinese finally had standing 14.3 aircraft

But no, France getting overserved, like you know there’s so much French Aircraft that needs attention, and Gaijin choose to cater Rafale once again.

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and this is why people are mad everytime the Rafale gets buffs

All sparrows get up to no good. Never can be trusted but iv started using the F16AJ and the missiles are now a complete random event.

Made a post about getting a better radar to fix this but “the AJ isnt real” are most replies. Or my favorite “skill issue” when the video shows sparrow shot at 12oclock and goes chasing an enemy 12km 90 degrees away. Even uploaded sensor view but it still doesnt compute. Not sure if just low IQ or WT makes people stupid…

Hence why the game will forever be a mess.

Yeah I understand that, I just don’t like the one that spewing racist remark that wouldn’t help getting other aircraft getting fixed in any way.

We have a jet that has best FM and best missiles. It already has highest win rate/ kills.

Iv read lots of fixes that could be done to improve every other TT jet other than the rafale.

Gaijin chooses to ignore everyone and buff the rafale.

Is it hopes and dreams that makes you all keep trying?

I really appreciate the effort by everyone to make the game better but at sone point its gotta twig its only going to get worse?

I have already done this by playing RB with sim controls. I have over double the KD and KB in it while playing RB than you do and I’m doing it while in first person view. It’s far and away the best I’ve done at RB top tier. I even do better in it than other French mains who have over 2000+ games in it.

This idea that French mains are built differently is just crap.

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The maneuverability of the Rafale is so excellent. I watched a video last time and it reached more than 12G at high speed. Isn’t this the main problem?

May i ask for Proofs?

Last time i compared Rafale to 14.3/14.0 and best 13.7 aircrafts, it was only:
Acceleration:


Under Mach 1 (1240km/h) : Rafale is 5th (beaten by 3 F-15 variants and EF-2000)
Over Mach 1 (1240km/h+): Rafale is beating everyone
→ let’s be honest : Turnfights aren’t done at Mach1+

“Never Excess Speed” (VNE): Last
i even tried with :
J-10A
Su-30SM
MiG-29SMT

Turnrates:


Instanteneous Turn Rate: 1st in average
Special mentions for Mirage2000-5F & F-15J(M)
Both got a speed range in which they’re better than Rafale

EF-2000 come close, but falls behind for a close, but constant difference.

Sustained Turn Rate: 2nd (EF-2000 is 1st)
EF-2000 beats Rafale in the 400km/h-1250km/h speed range (were most dogfights are done)
F-2A beats Rafale in the 370km/h - 580km/h speed range
F-15J(MSIP) beats rafale over 920km/h - 1190km/h speed range (just worth to note about it, but not relevant, as said earlier, most turnfights are done at lower speeds)

→ So please, show me proofs about Rafale getting best Flight model
because it is confusing, when checking FACTS & NUMBERS, over your post.

and considering about Missiles, they’re not really OP,… as they’re getting hardwalled at 50km, unlke everyone else.

The only ARH missile in-game with a smaller notch gate than every other ARH missile, that’s also thrust-vectoring and can track/fire on targets from TRK MEM, isn’t OP?

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Oh,… sure it is good in SHORT RANGES

But nowhere near close everyone else in long range situations.

Is it Rafale players fault to use a missile made for Short ranges, against people rushing mid-map constantly without taking time?

MICA missiles are good (and still lacking to IRL numbers), but that’s mostly others players faults to come in the best perfomance area of the MICA,…

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Except, missiles fired at meidum to long range are usually a waste of a missile.

Any kills gained is combo of luck and skill issue on the part of the person defending.

99% of engagements occur within the MICAs effective ranges.

Range these days is the least important attribute for ARH missiles

Most Fox-3 engagements at top tier happen within 15-20km; the only time The Rafale is at a disadvantage is in the early game, and even then the MICA-EM can easily hit targets 30km out once it’s at altitude. Within that 15-20km envelope the MICA-EM is ABSOLUTELY the most dominant missile, to a comical degree. The only missile that comes close is the R-77.

So, tell me again how the “does literally everything good, and does it way better than the competition” missile isn’t OP?

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Maybe because missiles shot further than 20/25 km are a non threat?

No wonder everyone gets close if you want to actually get a kill

Those who grind France as their first nations are not any better than players who grind the US, Germany, and Russia as their first nation.

What is true however is that the majority of Rafale players are not players who grinded France as their first nation, in fact the overwhelming majority of them are players who played other top tiers first before grinding and obtaining the Rafale and thus have quite a bit of experience in other top tiers before transitioning into the Rafale.

So while Timmy got into his F-15C and F-15E and only managed 48% overall winrate (with 52% recent), and takes that experience and does 54% or higher in the Su-27SM and Su-30SM, it isn’t necessarily indicative of only the plane’s performance but rather the experience he has when he does better in the Rafale than any other previous planes.

Many of the Rafale players are actually experienced top tier players who grinded Rafale as their fourth or fifth nation after grinding US, Germany, Russia, China, etc.

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i’m playing several nations, and i never had trouble to notch/chaffs/MP MICA’s with everything else.

while playing Mirage 2000 then Rafale, most players are giving up on notching, MPing, chaffing,…
only a few knows, learned to do it,…

so maybe it’s just me thinking that MICA isn’t as OP as everyone else think it is,… but clearly - something is messed up with the argue,…

Most people prefers to complain (politics, life, games,…) they tend to complain without even trying to learn a thing or two,…
call others cheaters or other names,… still they’re not thinking that they’re the ones making things harder on themselves.

All of that to say that you guys need to learn how to notch MICA
or in another possibility → how to make Rafale players to waste MICA’s → they’re still the shortest missile range wise, which means they loose their speed easily
(maybe it is time for people learn how to waste a missile energy)


Also you guys only jumped on the missile point i made, but still not explainned to me how Rafale have the best FM as everyone think it have, when numbers shows otherwise

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