I can’t disagree, the Rafale is simply the only aircraft that could be considered 15.0, if a Rafale and a Eurofighter launch missiles in the same scenarios doing the same evasion maneuvers the Rafale is never hit.
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More like 15.3. The Rafale as seen in-game currently should never be allowed to see anything but the current 14.3 jets, and even then itd be preferable and most beneficial for the game if it mostly only fought itself in France vs France fights
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I don’t get how the rafale has by far the best stats at top tier while still being at the same br as su30 and eurofighter. Like it has quite a decent win rate, kd and k/s advantage over the other 14.3 fighters, it should be a step above them just going off statshark stats
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AIM-120C has a longer range than MICA-EM. It’s the Typhoon that would never be hit.
Rafale’s not as good as your post portrays.
@kizvy
Skilled players abandoned Soviets to play Rafale. Makes sense that Rafale’s stats would go up within a month after skilled players fled Soviets.
At this point, the literal only explanation for the treatment the gaijin devs have afforded the Rafale is brutally blatant and extreme favoritism. Its rate of bug report fixes, the ever increasing disparity in balance between it and all its competitors, and the extreme low bar it has had for bug report acceptance over the course of 9 months and still ongoing is a flagrant disregard for the health of the game and enjoyment of all other nations players, and in some cases, reality/historical accuracy, all for the benefit of a handful of french mains.
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Average speed jet.
Chronically average countermeasure count.
8x missiles. Average.
AESA radar, above average.
Good dogfight performance.
The myth of its strength is causing low morale when people see it, and low morale leads to screwing up around Rafales.
Dude it has the second fastest acceleration in the game lol, only bad thing about it is it’s mid top end speed which really doesn’t matter considering it can climb to 8km altitude and go 2000 kph in less than 3 minutes from air spawn.
With that speed even the mica with some of the worst long range kinematics become competent due to sheer speed of launch platform
And late game rafale is straight up best plane in game due to insane instantaneous and it’s mica missile (which btw is the most meta missile in game rn)
Also aim 120c5 is straight up worst modern fox 3 in terms of close range turning, there’s really no point of bringing it over the b/a because of its lack of turning and acceleration. It’s only better beyond 20ish km which means very little as anyone with half a brain cell will notch it
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Rafale is slower to 1000kph than F-15E, F-15JM, Typhoon, Yak-141, Mig-29, and F-15J.
Rafale is slower to 10,000 meters than Typhoon, F-15E, F-15JM, F-15J, Yak-141, and Mig-29.
Rafale is slower to mach 1.5 than Typhoon, F-15E, and J-8F [This beat it in something, heh].
That was in a recent test as well. It needs to be updated cause they nerfed it.
One of the fastest jets in the game, top 3 for sure. Extremely high T/W ratio that now surpasses the Eurofighter last I looked. At altitude it can teleport to 1700kph+ speeds within such a short span of time.
it’s 112 chaff and 52 flares exactly with the CM being single pop. It’s more than enough to do the job. You just don’t have BOL pods to spam chaff.
The count is average, the MICAs are the best fox3s though overall…
If by “above average” you mean “obviously the best radar in the game” then yeah
What a silly, goofy explanation that doesn’t line up with reality
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Do you remember when T-80BVM was called OP despite never being OP or even a top 3 MBT?
That myth caused players to make mistakes out of fear, which bolstered its alleged threat level.
The skilled players performed better, and the opposing players performed worse.
9300 + 896 + 4700 = 14896kg.
16846kgf thrust at 960kph.
16846/14896 = 1.13:1 TWR for Rafale after its buff.
Granted fuel was at 4440kg at start of climb for Rafale, and 4340kg for Typhoon, but you can change the math if you like.
4650 + 11220 + 1056 = 16926.
22865kgf thrust at 960kph.
22865/ 16926 = 1.35:1 TWR at beginning of climb.
The top 3 fastest jets in-game are F-15E, Typhoon, and F-15J. Of course F-15J isn’t a Fox-3 carrier.
So that’d go to F-8F if we just ran Fox-3 carriers to mach 1.5.
The “french players are actually goated at the game hence the rafale stats are good” is a complete myth and cope excuse.
Truth is, the rafale is so handheld and op that even players with sub 1kd can pick it up and dominate matches with it.
This is the truth for RB, and especially sim battles, where in my opinion it’s doing far greater damage
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Gaijin looks at this and says “yea the rafale must be buffed further”
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Gaijins speed at fixing Rafale bug reports compared to literally everything else is truly stunning
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Makes you almost wonder if it is gaijin’s favourite vehicle
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Thank you for citing skill to prove my point.
@Farlexgamer_psn
You are more than welcome to disprove Statshark. I shall await your thesis on why Statshark’s data is incorrect.
Japan, Italy, and France have the highest win rates of props.
Britain and France have the highest win rates of reheating jets.
Is the British Typhoon OP just because skilled players are in it? Or the Mirage 2000Ds, F-1Cs,
Are the A6M5s, N1Ks, and Ki-94s OP alongside C205, G55s, F4U-7 and AD-4s?
Or is it that Statshark’s data is correct and that these teams are winning over other teams.
Statshark’s battle data is a skill tool, not a tool for determining what is OP and what isn’t.
If you think Rafale is so OP, go use it yourself. Certainly you’ll be able to secure a KDR and KMR over 1.0 higher than any other aircraft you’ve ever flown… right?
F-18A is an obviously OP aircraft in War Thunder, let’s check this OP aircraft’s stats.
Weird, an obviously OP aircraft has average stats because the players aren’t utilizing the OP aircraft well.
How about Jagdpanzer IV, the most OP tank in the game…
Well, it’s played a lot, but average stats despite being the most OP tank in the game.
Let’s check a balanced tank, E-100.
Weird, E-100 has a KDR over 3x that of the OP Jagdpanzer IV.
Dang, look at all those aircraft above Rafale in KDR.
SB2C-5 and J2M5 must be OP and need to be 4.7 and 6.0 respectively. /s
Statshark is a great and powerful tool, and it’s sad to see it be misrepresented.
It is not a tool to win “vehicles are powerful/weak” arguments.
I bet I can find a weak vehicle with high performance… oh wait, I already did. The LaGG-3-4 is at a 57.2% win rate and 1.77 KDR despite being a horrific aircraft to fly.
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See you would have a point if these 3 were obscure niche vehicles only played by long time players or experts and not the 4th most popular plane in 13.3-14.3. Your argument might hold for the 2 Mirages but absolutely not for the Rafale
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Why would you use prop stats in a conversation about the rafale?
The typhoon is already op to some people, and if the rafale didn’t exist, it would be the best plane in the game.
Even by doing a pros/cons list of rafale vs everything else you will see how it crushes the competetion.
If you fail to see the current imbalance it is creating, and it has been creating for the past 9 months, all while still getting buffed, then you’re either rage baiting or completely blind
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@Farlexgamer_psn
Because both you and @H_ngma incorrectly brought up a player skill monitoring tool into a discussion about aircraft.
Claiming it’s the best plane then citing that the best players are flying it is not how you play your argument.
In 3 months when more players own it from the hype and the stats drop, as they did with T-80BVM because that tank was never OP, then you’ll ignore the history of claimed OP vehicles.
You know what aircraft was OP up until AMRAAMs were added? F-15A. Did the stats ever show it? No, because bad skill in OP aircraft is worse than good skill in over-BR’d aircraft.
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- its a player performance monitoring tool and performance depends on the skill AND the potential of the vehicle (especially ease of use since most players are not good)
- Via your logic the Rafale should have had a drop in stats already since August has almost twice the games played to July and yet K/D, winrate and SL per game stayed the same
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