Rafale wings and MICA

[Cyno78FS]

Hello everyone, first of all, I would like to clarify that this post is really based on discussion and justification. I don’t want people who come to say that a plane is better, we don’t care, it’s logical, etc… Reasoned and justified answers that’s all.

Very well, I would like to address 2 subjects, first the subject of the maximum speed before the wings break. Then, the subject of mica which can, OFTEN, have very strange or unrealistic behavior.

For the first subject, I would like to know how this breaking point was made or calculated. I wonder because looking at other Delta wing aircraft like the EF which can withstand much higher speeds or the JAS-39 which reaches its maximum speed without any risk at around 1480km/h IAS, the Rafale loses its flaps or more while it is not at all at a reasonable speed, such as 1590km/h IAS, for example.
I will develop my point of view. I will start from a personal logic because I am not lucky enough to be a specialist in aeronautics.
I do not see why such a low speed as a breaking point knowing the immense power found in the reactors, leading us to play by deactivating and reactivating the PC constantly to be neither too high nor too low in speed which is not very fun and even less, in my opinion, realistic.

For the rest, the MICA EM. I had a lot of scenes where my missile changes target, direction, stops working in flight or passes a target without exploding. Even if I lock on to my target properly, I already have about a 40% chance that my radar will end up locking the countermeasures while we are far from that of the Mirage F1, it is an AESA as a reminder. Then, the missile has multiple possible behaviors each with a probability of occurring. I was able to play with the AIM-120 or RB-99 and compared to the MICA, I already find that the energy and range are far from being respected and in addition we must take into account a multitude of possibilities of ending up with the radar or the missile doing what they want. So I would like to know here, why such a fragility of the target maintenance without it being countered?

(I am not used to posts so if the images and videos are badly positioned and for the mica exemples i can’t put my videos, sorry)

That’s all for me, good game to all.

[Cyno78FS]

So, since NOBODY is able to explain everything I described above, I understand that Gaijin coded, or I don’t know what, the MICA and FM for the break speed without any real support? It’s still daring but I think that at the current stage of the game, we are forced to deal with it and I think that my role as a “French” player, is not going to help me.

The video below, possibly just a link, is a video taken on Medal, an in-game video clip application, which shows both the WONDERFUL gameplay in Rafale at low altitude managing not to break the wings and the RIDICULOUS level of sensitivity of the wing overload compared to the power that the Rafale can deliver.

Thanks a lot.

[Skyzonix]

To be honest wing ripping is weird on most planes, I’ve been personally experiencing alot of wing rips in the Typhoon putting G’s at high alt and high speeds wing rips off before I hit 9g’s and other times I’ll pull 12g’s pilot blacks out but no wing rip.

@Cyno78FS

Then, the missile has multiple possible behaviors each with a probability of occurring. I was able to play with the AIM-120 or RB-99 and compared to the MICA, I already find that the energy and range are far from being respected and in addition we must take into account a multitude of possibilities of ending up with the radar or the missile doing what they want

Since the last mini patch even 120’s are behaving strange also. I hard locked a target twice within 12miles and twice in the same battle my missile ignored my lock and killed 2 friendlys, so some spagetti coding by Gaijin I think

[Cyno78FS]

Hi, thanks for the answer and I agree about the wing breaks with the G catches. However, I was mainly talking about the wing breaks at flat and low altitude. The power, breaking point ratio is too small for the Rafale. It happens to activate the PC and barely put, the wings break. What I would like is to push this limit to about 1560kmh IAS without armament.

Then, as for the missiles, I will not lie that I have not played them recently and I can believe you on these strange behaviors. On the other hand, I see too few problems on my side with the enemy AIM-120s at 30km than me with my MICAs… one hooks extremely well even if it is only the missile radar and on the other side my MICA is countered without too much effort whether in TWS in BVR or in HMD at short range.
These cases represent 2/5 of my missiles fired, it doesn’t happen all the time to everyone but personally, 2/5 of launches is huge when with the 120, it’s much less frequent from what I see in the game.

[Skyzonix]

Wing ripping in a straight line speed is very common. These issues go back far in the UK air tree. Most of the early UK jets wing break before they should with little to no warning about speed. Some even wing break before they reach max speed at the intended alt.
Gaijin are just harrendously bad when it comes to these things so unfortunetly its something players may have to just work around.

As for Aim-120A/B’s EF2000 ( GER/ITA ) F16’s / F15’s all have good radar’s that keep the missiles updated via DL up to the target. Notching isn’t really working due to this since there Radar will just keep your new position / alt / heading updated to the missile.

My personal recomendation is to return fire ( Even if your missile wont reach ) This hopefully causes them to go defensive, no longer using DL for the missle. Which then means there missile is easier to defeat since its now only guiding itsself and can be beaten with notching and chaff.

[Cyno78FS]

I understand all this, this is not the subject I wanted to talk about, that the evasion maneuvers do not work is not news for a long time, that the aim-120 is operational other than to escape them is not my problem.
What I would like to know is how a MICA guided in TWS by an AESA can succeed in being countered by some chaff? How at 5km in lock with HMD can it be countered with some chaff?
The subject on the effectiveness of chaff goes back a long time but they are not only ineffective, they are either too much or not at all effective and personally, they are ineffective against the aim-120 but have a chance, for the time being closer to reality, of being countered.
This problem with the MICA goes back to the release of the FOX-3, nothing has concretely been changed in terms of making these FOX-3 comparable to the others at long range.
Asking for a range buff I don’t care but reviewing their resistances to countermeasures is what I would like to see so as not to have to pray every time I shoot that my MICA is not countered, where with the aim-120 I didn’t care given their good efficiency.
I compare them to the aim-120 but even the R-77 which are much criticized from what I have heard, I find them better.