Rafael M113 Air Defense Mobile System (ADMS) - Lost in obscurity

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Suggestion No.96

G’day lads. I want to suggest the ADMS; a (very) short range SAM system capable of carrying MANPADS like Mistral’s and Strela’s :)

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Description:

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The Rafael Air Defense Mobile System (ADMS) is a self propelled short range air defense system. It provides close air defense for vital sites, field units, and mobile combat units against fixed wing and rotary-wing targets in day, night, and in plenty other weather conditions.

An ADMS battery consists of a Surveillance and Command Unit (SCU) and multiple Missile Launching Units (MLU). The SCU uses a ELM-2140NG surveillance radar and IFF system to detect and classify targets, generate an Air Situation Picture (ASP), and transmit C2 data to the MLUs. The MLUs engage targets using electro optical day/night sight systems and automatic target slewing, carrying four ready to fire VSHORAD missiles on an overhead weapon station. The ADMS can operate in battery formation or as a standalone autonomous fire unit, which also has it’s own scanning system. It is mounted on APC or wheeled platforms, is modular, and can be adapted to different missile systems.

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History:

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The ADMS barely has any history, like at all. I do know that it appeared around the very late 90’s on Jane’s, with more info being given later on Jane’s Land-Based Air Defence 2001-02. During that time, it was only shown on a Automotive Industries M240 Storm 4x4 light truck in a Strela-2M (SA-7B) configuration.

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During 2006, 4 whole years of no updates, it was shown again. This time, it was in a M113 configuration carrying (what appears to be) Mistral’s. It was shown officially only twice on Rafael’s older site; once as it’s own entry (which also had it’s own brochure), and one appearance in one of Rafael’s company brochures where it was only shown as an image. The last ever archive of both pages were during 2008, where afterwards no update of the ADMS came out, even to this day.

Armaments:

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1 machine gun, which appears to kinda look like a 7.62 FN MAG also found on Merkavas

Variety of MANPADS, including Mistral, Strela-2M (SA-7B) and possibly even Stingers

Day/Night sights (appears to be TD92BL. Thanks for DrJorus for pointing this out)

Own search and track system

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As for the SCU, it carries a ELM-2140NG radar

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Specifications:

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The ADMS is already as obscure as something that exists can be, meaning that there is literally no info about it’s dimensions and engine. I will therefore use basic M163 info instead, as it is the closest thing to the ADMS. The system has a length of 4.86m, a width of 2.85m and a height of 2.9m. It weighs around 11.2 tons. Powering it is a GM 6V53 212hp engine, which can make the vehicle go up to 64km/h. Due to the vehicle being a Bardelas, it can also have ESS.

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Sources:

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Rafael ADMS brochure incl. Rafael’s old archived site

IAI ELM-2140NG radar brochure

Jane’s Land-Based Air Defence 2001-02

Jane’s IDR 1996

Opgal : Military : TD-92

M163 VADS - Wikipedia

Thanks a lot for reading! If you have any extra information, then feel free to share them in the replies! As always, have a good day :)

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+1 can’t say no to AD m113s

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I do love my m113

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So it has searching radar? If i understand well, then how it will work like radar on shilka or maybe it will spin if it has space to spin, I won’t be surprised if radar will work like optical targeting system on machbet, so huge circle but invisible, no noise, locking rather won’t be automatic but target should be marked anyway.

I think it will be great spaa between imp.chaparral and machbet, it has M113 with scanning radar, so maybe we can get scaning M113 (the one with radar on stick) and have 2 or 3 placeable M113 ADMS with missiles which could be controlled also, even if radar M113 will be destroyed. Honestly we can get 1 ADMS as separate vehicle and 0.3 higher radar M113 with placeable squad of them.

I wish Israel in WT was in alliance with India and turkey as full tech tres each, turkey has funny M113 with gepard like guns, one with radar and 3 with guns as seen on official YT channel of producent, i am not sure if i remember name properly, i will remind it myself.

https://youtu.be/53VjV3IVEpM?si=og6OaTXlmqu8KKO9 (FNSS)

I have a couple of details to add.

The EO used is the TD92BL (called Red Slope, מדרון אדום, in the IDF) made by OPGAL, a subsidiary of Rafael. At the time it was on of the best EO available on the Israeli market. Here are the specifications:

Israel Defense Sales Directory 1997-1998

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OPGAL website

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Opgal : Military : TD-92

Unfortunately I can’t tell whether it is the dual or triple FOV, but we know for sure it uses the 6" lens.
(Fun fact, this device was used on the Machbet as well, although with the triple FOV and 9" lens, I made a suggestion about it).

Additionally, since the chassis is an Israeli Bardelas, they were all modified to generate a smoke screen (ESS). The exhaust pipe on the side is a clear indication.

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Lower tier AA missiles are annoying but due to its size you can’t hide it like that little German AA.

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A search and track system would be HUGE (if true). So let me get this straight:

  • Mistral (highest maneuverability option?), 9K32M Grail (wish we had it ingame so I could reference it), and possibly Stinger missiles (probably will be the most potent).
  • A search system (presumably radar or IRST? Actually how sure of this even are we??). So it would need a radar vehicle huh, would make for a nice multi-vehicle system that way.
  • A FLIR track system like the machet, meaning helpful thermals for spotting as well.
  • A lil’ machine gun bc yes. (Most important feature)
  • Smoke grenades and ESS which will do lovely wonders.

With all those things in mind, depending on how the missiles preform it could make for a lovely 9.7-10.0 (or 10.0-10.3 if it’s multi-vehicle) SPAA which the BR range really lacks. Would love to see it ingame!

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seems they stole a strela mount and plopped it onto an m113 and changed the missiles being used

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It’s not a big radar dish. It can search (and track) directly from it’s sights according to Rafael

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Thank you

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Another poll has been added for the SCU to be spawned. Thanks to @DrJorus for pointing out what the radar is :)

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