Gonna need a source
Which only makes your argument worse. I don’t care if the r27er is over preforming (which I am aware it is) unless it is going mach Jesus with 100g turn the 120 will still beat it in BVR. Now in wvr you have more of an argument. I agree with you that it is over preforming and needs to be fixed, but it’s better to do that by comparing it to a similar missile like the aim 7m.
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It is going Mach Jesus. Its accelerating at 12,000+ftlbs for 3.2 seconds to Mach 5.75. It also has the range of the R27-ER1 at 100km instead of 70km it should have. So its a BVR missile for sure. Which is why I incorporated it with the Aim-120.
And yet the 120 will still win. Why? Because it’s an arh missiles. The plane firing it can fire and notch while the person with the r27 has to fire and hold a lock forcing them to choose between guiding the r27 in but dieing to the 120 or begin notching but lose the lock. That’s why you can’t compare fox 1s to fox 3s. Because they are two different types of missiles. you can’t just compare their stats because they are used differently. That’s why we don’t compare fox 2s to fox 1s or 3s.
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If the scenario is BVR vs BVR…the R-27ER will impact around 3 seconds before the Aim-120 will if launched from the same altitude and same distance.
As a tool for BVR…the Aim-120 is far superior to the R-27ER because it has an active seeker and will pitbull at 20km.
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While the r-27er has better engine and performance in general, they both reach the same speed and have a similar time to target
The aim120 also lofts, improving the performance at range
Although the max speed is stated to mach 5.8 in the statcard, the missile doesn’t actually reach it.
Let’s not forget the Aim120 is ARH, and is more maneuverable.
Also you said it behaves as a boost only engine, but it in fact does have a 2 stage engine (and it’s not that different from aim120)
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get 2 good players together, Su-27 with 6 R-27ERs and an F-15 with 6 AIM-120As, the F-15 will win every time in BVR, The R-27ER may be suprior Kinematically, but the fact that you need to be nose hot for it to track and maybe hit, where the F-15 can start going cold once his missile has gone active, just makes the R-27ER redundant, as the Su-27 in this case would be forced to turn cold and lose lock, or die, while this happens the F-15 coudl re-engage and fire another 120, and rinse and repeat, if we had the R-27EA it would be superior (IIRC an R-27E series with the R-77 seekerhead) as it would have more KE potential while being self guided,
even then the AIM-120 would be better, the ability to terrain mask without losing your radar missile is much better, only thing the ER has is its acceleration there and hoping it connects before the 120 is fired
And this isnt really including how hit and miss russian radars can be, getting a lock to fire the ER would also be harder than the TWS lock for the AIM-120 user
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It’s also twice as heavy. It’s not as easy as just looking at which thrust number is higher when comparing these missiles, there is a lot more to consider with these missiles in practicality. AIM120 is much more useful and a clear winner over the 27ER. It’s time to target is almost the same as 27ER too in most instances, given same launch conditions. When you account for the vehicles carrying AIM120 like F16C and F15C, they more than make up that difference by pure climb and speed performance at altitude over Flanker and 29SMT, and don’t even get me started on the radars…
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This just in- American Main killed by SARH missile, claims Russian Bias. “It’s just not fair! I only have 8 independently guided missiles to his single dependently guided one, how am I possibly to win?” says the victim. More at 11.
And up next: the AIM-54C, the Mach 5.25, 430.5kNs missiles everyone forgets about!
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Ok. Nerf the R-27 then
it never reaches that speed.
no because you did not provide a source.
and im not even russian lmao
Dude it is 200kg heavier than the aim 120… that’s well over twice as heavy as the aim 120.
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You don’t understand. A non-american missile is outperforming american ones in one metric. Forget the metrics where it’s inferior. This is bias. America is truly safering.
This is good data but something isn’t right. It doesn’t seem correct that the R-27ER and the Aim-120 are so close to each other.
It baffles me that this post is about thrust and aerodynamics, and yet the ‘fox 3 is superior and breaks the game’ crowd comes in and starts arguing electronics that has nothing to do whatsoever with what OP is trying to communicate.
Yes, aim-120 is fire and forget. That’s not the point. The point is that the R-27ERs is unrealistically fast, and for a game that strives to make these things accurate, that’s bad. They need to nerf it back to realistic values.
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Do you have any reason for those values or are you just making a random guess at what they should be?
That’s a meaningless stat card number with no impact on missile performance.
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Has that actually been proven?
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