While the r-27er has better engine and performance in general, they both reach the same speed and have a similar time to target
The aim120 also lofts, improving the performance at range
Although the max speed is stated to mach 5.8 in the statcard, the missile doesn’t actually reach it.
Let’s not forget the Aim120 is ARH, and is more maneuverable.
Also you said it behaves as a boost only engine, but it in fact does have a 2 stage engine (and it’s not that different from aim120)
get 2 good players together, Su-27 with 6 R-27ERs and an F-15 with 6 AIM-120As, the F-15 will win every time in BVR, The R-27ER may be suprior Kinematically, but the fact that you need to be nose hot for it to track and maybe hit, where the F-15 can start going cold once his missile has gone active, just makes the R-27ER redundant, as the Su-27 in this case would be forced to turn cold and lose lock, or die, while this happens the F-15 coudl re-engage and fire another 120, and rinse and repeat, if we had the R-27EA it would be superior (IIRC an R-27E series with the R-77 seekerhead) as it would have more KE potential while being self guided,
even then the AIM-120 would be better, the ability to terrain mask without losing your radar missile is much better, only thing the ER has is its acceleration there and hoping it connects before the 120 is fired
And this isnt really including how hit and miss russian radars can be, getting a lock to fire the ER would also be harder than the TWS lock for the AIM-120 user
It’s also twice as heavy. It’s not as easy as just looking at which thrust number is higher when comparing these missiles, there is a lot more to consider with these missiles in practicality. AIM120 is much more useful and a clear winner over the 27ER. It’s time to target is almost the same as 27ER too in most instances, given same launch conditions. When you account for the vehicles carrying AIM120 like F16C and F15C, they more than make up that difference by pure climb and speed performance at altitude over Flanker and 29SMT, and don’t even get me started on the radars…
This just in- American Main killed by SARH missile, claims Russian Bias. “It’s just not fair! I only have 8 independently guided missiles to his single dependently guided one, how am I possibly to win?” says the victim. More at 11.
And up next: the AIM-54C, the Mach 5.25, 430.5kNs missiles everyone forgets about!
Ok. Nerf the R-27 then
it never reaches that speed.
no because you did not provide a source.
and im not even russian lmao
Dude it is 200kg heavier than the aim 120… that’s well over twice as heavy as the aim 120.
You don’t understand. A non-american missile is outperforming american ones in one metric. Forget the metrics where it’s inferior. This is bias. America is truly safering.
This is good data but something isn’t right. It doesn’t seem correct that the R-27ER and the Aim-120 are so close to each other.
It baffles me that this post is about thrust and aerodynamics, and yet the ‘fox 3 is superior and breaks the game’ crowd comes in and starts arguing electronics that has nothing to do whatsoever with what OP is trying to communicate.
Yes, aim-120 is fire and forget. That’s not the point. The point is that the R-27ERs is unrealistically fast, and for a game that strives to make these things accurate, that’s bad. They need to nerf it back to realistic values.
Do you have any reason for those values or are you just making a random guess at what they should be?
That’s a meaningless stat card number with no impact on missile performance.
Has that actually been proven?
You will rarely if ever achive that speed with them in game. Infact pretty much every missile in game will very rarely reach its max listed speed.
The only time you can ever get them to go close to that fast is if your launching at 8-10km in altitude while going fast. Which given the average map size and general gameplay of WT top tier air that scenario rarely happens…
Oh right because of lofting.
Does anyone know the conditions required for an AMRAAM to loft? It feels rare to get them to do so even at extreme ranges.
Great, now you get the point of the thread. That’s what he’s saying.
Ok. The ER would still be better than the sparrow anyways and at top tier everybody will ise the R-77 so it won’t be a big impact on the game
It climbs at a 22.5° angle and dives when the angle with the target is 3.5°.
It starts at pretty much all ranges, except very close range.
