R-77s are horrid and the R-77-1 is needed

Maybe. But at least they are not biased.

That IS.
If missiles have same electronic inside - that means the if ER have IOG - all R-27’s have ones.
All. They modular. Only difference - seeker and engine.

On the one hand, yes, there is a typo. However, I think the point is simply copying the article. But seriously, you took the typo in the title out of the context of the article, and now you are appealing to its invalidity?

Developers of missle know.
The rest are simply not interested in anything other than what they need/must to know and what is described in the manual.
While it ain’t described in manual, due to unreliability of that mode. So it just a feature - not a trick, which pilot MUST know.

Well, and i don’t sure about

But if you have proofs - you welcome to show them.

Bruh, same level as rusian airwar.

Theres no reliable sources about that all they are same in case of IOG and etc.

RVB-AE stated multiple times in text, that’s enough to consider as just a fun history

But theyre not stated that to AF… are you sure that it is here?

Just a example, that everything can be stated like that.

Flight Manual for the Su-27? Unfortunately, I haven’t read it. Do you have a copy?

Why do you think that?

I see, fiction instead of official documents.

Then provide the historical data instead of quotes from fiction.

Examples of their bias?

You guys just made me tired of your… trolling, I hope, because that degree of stupidity will be just sad.
So, missiles have same brains, but some of them have not IOG, because “kitsune_qq” said that.
Perfectly proofed, all ovating.

Ad i said - lad/gal, who typed that, can just ain’t see difference between izdeliye 170 (domestic version, first iteration), and 190 (export version), so yes, he/she ducked up with name of missle.
Still, due, to years stated in that story, we know, that it been izd.170, also known as first iteration R-77, and the meaning is same - ARH been tested on planes, than, same planes without more modifications used ARH version of R-27.

And second iteration (tested one) of R-27EA, get not the ARGS-27 seeker, but “9Б1103М”, which almost same to R-77’s “9Б1348Э”.

9Б1103М

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9Б1347Э

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No R-27T/ET, no radio correction.After the launch, it exists on its own, just like the P/EP

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It’s classified

TLDR: You cant prove it

Your honest opinion?
And again without proofs. So sad. So predictable.

About modular principle of R-27, you can read on Vympel official page. Or any another source.
Modularity - been R-27’s main trick.

About 27EA seeker - at NII Agat official page.
They make it as initiative even, after project been denied due to R-77 start.

So you have official docs, which countering my words?
Can we see them?

Proofs please.
Will there be evidence to the contrary, or at least confirming your point of view? Or am I the only one who indulges in such things until you ain’t provide counterarguments better than your “I don’t believe” and “I don’t want”?

Youre trying to do opposite.

“Yes my source have mistake but it right”…

Nope.
Or, yes.

For the last two hours, I was the only one who at least somehow gave arguments/evidence for my point of view, while you and a couple of other forum members didn’t bother themselves, believing that your distrust was enough to break them.

Perhaps now it’s my turn to play the role of an asshole, denying everything that is told to him (unless I can do it fairly - you still haven’t provided any evidence that you’re right).

Yep, one typo.
In whole story.
If i find you same, but without that typo you will get calmed, or you just need pacifier, because your lack of evidence force you to looks for fault with the slightest mistakes in other people’s words?

Yes, T/ET, ain’t must have a radio correction.
It just fly to predicted point, activate seeker in that point, and if enemy continues flight without course changes - he/she will be locked and, maybe shot down.

It’s not a datalink.
It’s LOAL.

If it can show me that mode in document or special literature, your fabrications != proof. Nobody prooven that R-27T can LOBL, but tried many times in DCS

im pretty sure you need a degree and a proven capability to be able to read to even become a WCS

You will can’t find it!
I said it 3rd time - it’s a feature, maketh, by soviet BVR interception doctrine, going from Floggers, with R-24R/T - launching SARH, and IR MRAAM, in pairs.

And IR seekers, just be unable to LOBL, at Fox-1 launch distance. So it been launched to predicted point, for LOAL.

So in R-27, it (IOG) been just have become more advanced.
Fox-1, can be re-locked at trajectory, when Fox-2, can calculate rendezvous point at longer distances.

Explain of IOG of R-24/AA-7 Apex

В блоках аппаратуры ГСН 9Б-1022, производилось интегрирование перегрузок, что обеспечивало инерциальное управление на участке автономного полета, а после захвата цели на автосопровождение - фильтрацию при оценке угловой скорости. Это осуществляется с помощью модели кинематических соотношений, построенной во вращающейся системе координат, использующей линию дальности в качестве оси Х- дифференциального уравнения, связывающего угловую скорость линии визирования с проекцией перегрузки ракеты на ортогональную ей плоскость. Коэффициентами этих уравнений являются относительная дальность и скорость сближения, которые также вычисляются в результате интегрирования соответствующей проекции перегрузки. Необходимые для вычислений начальные условия по угловой скорости линии дальности формируются в вычислителе ракеты в процессе отработки углового целеуказания, когда ракета еще находится в подвеске. Функционирование вычислителя, в результате которого прогнозируется угловая скорость линии дальности, начинается с момента схода, причем в модели используются измерения перегрузки ракеты в проекциях на антенные оси, а также измерение угловой скорости ракеты относительно продольной оси ракеты. В результате, несмотря на отсутствие захвата цели головкой, в процессе отработки стартовых возмущений и при разгоне ракеты вырабатывается оценка угловой скорости линии дальности, необходимая для управления ракетой и антенной головки. Применение инерциального управления до захвата цели головкой позволило полностью использовать возможности ракеты по исправлению ошибок пуска. При этом соотношение между допустимой дальностью пуска и дальностью захвата оказалось независимым от ошибок пуска.

Same, but English

Overloads were integrated in the SSS 9B-1022 equipment units, which provided inertial control in the autonomous flight section, and after the target was captured for auto tracking - filtration when assessing the angular velocity. This was done by means of a kinematic relations model built in a rotating coordinate system using a range line as the X-differential equation axis linking the angular velocity of the sighting line to the projection of the missile’s overload on its orthogonal plane. The coefficients of these equations are the relative range and approach velocity, which are also calculated by integrating the corresponding overload projection. The initial conditions necessary for calculating the angular velocity of the range line are formed in the rocket’s calculator during the development of the angular target designation while the missile is still in suspension. The function of the calculator, as a result of which the angular velocity of the range line is predicted, starts from the moment of descent, and the model uses measurements of the missile’s overload in projections on the antenna axes, as well as measurements of the missile’s angular velocity relative to the missile’s longitudinal axis. This results in an estimate of the angular velocity of the range line, which is necessary to control the missile and the antenna head, while the head does not capture the target. The use of inertial control before target acquisition by the head made it possible to fully exploit the missile’s launch error correction capabilities. The ratio between the allowable launch range and the capture range proved to be independent of launch errors.

It’s freaking same, as sending Fox-3, as “bulldogs” - just sent missle to precalculated point, and if enemy ain’t manouver - it (missle) will find him (foe) there (calculated point).

9B-1022 is SARH seeker, nothing said about 23T4 IR seeker.

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Idk, i only asked for trustable source.

Yes.

Spoiler

What makes you think this pertains to the IR missile?

Why i must trust random guy from internet when I have the documents?

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Because they both (9B-1022 (AA-7C), and TGS-23T4 (AA-7D)) use them.
I really need explain that obvious things?
Just R-24R been produced earlier, so here been written about SARH version.