had it happen alot, my ADATS became terrible since the update
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Personally i think Gaijin werent too happy with russian missiles not being number one, so had to buff it even more. The R77-1 is the main thing that kills me now. everything else i can easily notch or multipath away from but not the r77, if there isnt a mountain to put it into its basically a guaranteed hit it seems now meanwhile anything from the C5 to the Micas are the most inconsistent missiles ive used.
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i had the r-77-1 do some pretty insane things ngl
yeah exactly, its why my opinion is until Gaijin can unequivocally prove they arent showing favouritism like they are now, russian equipment shouldnt be in the game in the sake of fairness as at the moment every update it just seems to buff them more and more, whether its just inconsistent damage models to performance to weaponry.
- R-77 is as easy to notch off as any other missile in the game except for Fakour-90 or MICA EM.
- R-77 and R-77-1 have massive explosive mass compared to AMRAAM and MICA EM, so multipath won’t work all the time even if it’s not a top-down launch as splash damage has a relatively high % chance of happening.
- You’re not going to find much success in using C-5s under 20 km as they take time to accelerate. You will find more success in launching them at longer ranges and at higher speeds.
Every nation literally has their time in the sun every couple of updates. For some updates it was USA, then USSR when R-27ER dominated for a while with MiG-29 and later Su-27, then it was Sweden/whoever had Gripen in the IRCCM furball meta, recently it was European countries with Eurofighter, then more recently/currently it is Rafale and now an emerging (or reemerging if you’re a GB/Italy/German player) new ‘meta’ nation lineup of USSR and GB/ITA/GER (and/or Sweden for GRB).
Flankers are notoriously hard to kill and even when damaged they can still launch missiles, so on this I agree to a point. In the recent update however, they updated damage models to disallow the launching of ordnance or using radar due to damage so I guess wait and see how that works out?
What do you mean inconsistency in regards to performance or weaponry?
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Idk how to do the quote thing so ill just number from the points you made.
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They are not easy to notch at all. It is the only thing that kills me recently since the last update. I can avoid practically every other missile but that one no matter what just gets me whether its multipathing or notching. And its not that im doing it wrong as it works for practically everything else. I know the C5 isnt meant for short and is mid, but thats meant to be the “top tier” missile for most western countries yet it only has one good feature being the range and even then they can be notched like its nothing. Meanwhile all the other missiles (i am including Micas) are good at all aspects short and long. And after this update i really dont get it as the R77, the -1 i’m referring to rather than standard, feels 10x stronger than it did before the update.
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Yes dont get me wrong every country has stand out stuff, but every update even if another country has something good, Either USSR gets something changed to be just as strong or something new in the next which wipes the park with it. Russian CAS is prime example, all the other countries get wiped by their CAS options, not because theyre good, but because everyone elses is artifically nerfed to make it better than it should. Most recently the JAGM/LEMR debates showed this with them basically coming in vertical meanwhile JAGM barely lofts (if you do a game that has both side by side you will see the LEMRs loft considerably more making them much more viable options), mavericks have just gotten worse and worse. Russian tanks are the most troll armour to ever exist as you could hit the same spot twice and get two different results, one complete kill shot and the next could just be the track eating it, magically spall disappearing etc the list goes on.
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its not just flankers even though they are a pain, im talking about everything from tanks, helis and jets (i dont play naval so can’t give any opinion on that). Its what i mentioned above. Russian tanks are so inconsistent to kill its a joke sometimes. I dont know if its Gaijin not knowing how to model or the ancient servers not knowing what to do with the monumental issue with war thunder matchmaking at the moment with everyone being from everywhere instead of location based matchmaking. Russian tanks also seem to have the advantage of higher survivability. This isnt me saying its op intentionally, but with russian tanks having no turret basket, they cant be taken out instantly (I’ll explain). With western tanks now if you get penned (and it isnt a one shot kill) its almost a guarantee to wipe out horizontal and youre basically done. Russian tanks on the other hand most likely just take damage to the autoloader and if a round is already loaded then you have the chance to actually defend yourself and retaliate against that player, hence imo higher survivability.
youre wrong about this, its true the r-77-1 is extremely strong but its as easy to notch as every other fox 3
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It has literally been datamined. The R77-1 has the same multipath resistance as every other Fox-3 besides the ones listed prior.
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Well, if lofts more than others and has quite big warhead
minor things
BTW, you (in 90% of cases now) cannot even fire when damaged because of “Avionics damaged” so annoying
sometimes but hardly always
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speaking from my own experience happens almost every time, but that may be just my bad luck
yeah probably just a bad streak or maybe i just was very lucky
R-77-1 was messed up by adding 2 lines of code thats usually found on air to ground munitions, they literally added that code before launch(not even dev). And then removed that code, cuz it was bugging out the R-77-1s
Its nothing to do with underperformance of the C-5, and this was ingame bug nothing really to do about historical R-77-1 bug reports such as seeker or other things that have been accepted that have yet to be implemented. But yes C5s should be reworked.
You are mistaken if you think they fixed “R-77-1s” it was a bug caused by them that they removed
Things people barely understand…… or have not datamines at all.
Sadly cuz of the weaker warhead, early dev server time it had been indicated that the shrapnel/splash damage had been nerfed of missiles n other things, but a recent datamine showed that most jet flightmodels now should be able to get severed or whatever better. Hopefully allowing less “hits” or “critical hits” and more severe damages. From what im hearing from the better competitive players, its gotten better of the last 2-3 days compared to launch.
Is there a known missile damage bug / missiles not even exploding ATM?
R77-1 might of been fixed but amrams have gone to another level of broken.
Even when it does hit kills have been replaced with assists WTF is wrong with WT? Over a decade old and every update it gets worse
I had a r77-1 hit perfectly center Mass on a su30sm2 and it did “hit”. Idk about amraam’s you couldn’t pay me to play US in the state it is rn
It’s probably because of the irbis-e, he’s 100% right that an r-77-1 from a su30sm2 which is datalinking is much much harder to defend against