R.550 Magic 1/2

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Magic 2 really wasn’t bad before the update, but I’d say it’s pretty great after the update.

I will say that this update has broken the 530F. I don’t even think they are worth bringing on a plane anymore.

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They were worth a thing?

Since they are added for Mirage F1C i prefer to use something else than that crap.

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I’ve gotten kills with them, pre update. Never reliable but once you’ve used the magic 2s they were better than nothing.

Now, I think they are just dead weight. I don’t know what they’ve changed, but I’ve had them just fly into the ground while holding lock on a target.

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gaijin developers stated that the IRCM of the 9M is worse than that on the R73. and we already know that the magic 2 is supposed to be leagues ahead of the R73. and therefore magnitudes better than the irccm of the 9M

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Well then we agree France is kept behind simply because it would be too godlike?

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thats kinda the point of the initial post, the magic 2 is so nerfed compared other missiles of the tier to the point its not even for balancing anymore

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Well the 1.8 is as IRL.

But there is other points:
→ IRCCM is one, as you told.
→ dual plane steering is another (50g instead of 35G,… we’re loosing 30% of the G turn ability of the missile)

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as low as 1.2, and is classified as a dog fighting missile. like the R73 or R60, shouldnt that mean that those would have an above 1 second arming time? but also the sidewinders short of the 9X arent meant to be used in such a short range, so shouldnt they also have an above 1 second arm time?

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There’s also that:

  1. The Magic 2 is sligtly more aerodynamic than the Magic 1resulting in less drag.
  2. The Magic 2 has 10% longuer thrust compared to the Magic 1
  3. The Magic 2 has better navigational law compared to the Magic 1 resulting in leading less.
  4. The Magic 2 seeker should be able to lock on from further away.
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if you could find a report stating anything like that itd be insanely helpful

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where is this screenshot from

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Says on the bottom left of the page.

Internal report afaik.

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useable in a bug report kind of internal report?

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I’m not sure what you mean by that

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well im trying to make a bug report about various things like the arming distance or the warhead being 13kg fragmentation with a 12kg charge on the magic and im starting to collect sources

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Arming distance as stated should be less than 1.2s, already reported as mentioned… I just ask if these things are reported yet before I make my own reports and they say it’s been reported internally and it’s on the to-do list.

Likewise with AIM-54 changes but a whole major patch has gone by since last mention of that. New sources were obtained the last few weeks apparently so hopefully progress on that moves faster.

If you have information or sources you’re welcome to make a report on the community bug reporting site and if they don’t already have it… it will be included in the already made report and marked “duplicate”.

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alright, ill bide my time for now on that see what comes of it