Go adapt to the enemy that you literally can’t shoot back at while he’s rippling off threats at you
You should not be talking about that with this performance
MCM-ing is a crutch for bad players and you’re the perfect example of it
Pulling my stats doesn’t change anything. I’ve been playing combat sims for 23 years lol much more than this arcade sim. This isn’t changing my argument or changing your lack of one. You’re welcome to learn BCM against missiles. Highly recommend reading pilot AARs from the Gulf War and early GWoT. If your argument against proper positioning is my air realistic stats and not my Air Sim stats then that also says everything.
Your sim stats aren’t even that impressive, they’re incredibly easy to inflate.
I know because I’m on par with you there, despite both of us having a measly KS of 1.3
This conversation was mostly centered around air RB anyways
Post them then. Or better yet, explain how being a better pilot isn’t an answer to beating a supposedly skill-less pilot. I’ll wait.
The same can be said of BVR.
Also half of my question is why not that many people are doing this. If both planes of similar calibre are MCMing, things could be different.
Also this video does not prove much. That’s an F16 with 6 missiles. I don’t know what the situation with PoBIT is, but in my view having only 6 missiles at 14.3 is miserable.
You also didn’t answer how things are different with notching. If you can notch all the missiles, the plane with more missiles still has the advantange by your argument.
Huuge difference.
The main issue with MCM, like I explained already is that it forces the victim into an incredibly difficult scenario if they don’t MCM either while the MCM’er can just sit there and press “launch missile”.
The issue is the difference in skill required between the two ways to counter missiles and the effect they have on the enemy.
MCM is ridiculously oppressive while being 0 skill
Multipath isn’t very oppressive but has a low skill floor
Notching has the highest skill floor, while being middle-of-the-road for how oppressive it ends up being
Look at the amount of skill required for me to shoot his missiles down AS I’m forcing him into an incredibly difficult scenario where he can’t do anything about me besides defend and pray.
That’s the issue with MCM
“the victim” is a victim of poor positioning and planning. I have zero problems going against missile busses at 13.7-14.0 in the F2A with only 4 AAM4s. It is a genuine skill issue and a self out to say it’s uncontrollable.
Believe me, no amount of good positioning or planning saves you from the person who decides to MCM.
You have no control over the scenario, you don’t dictate the fight anymore. You’re forced to just sit defensive until either a missile hits you, the enemy ends up on your six for free or you somehow avoid all their missiles and manage to get the df into an equal scenario.
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Please see the first part of my reply where I said having two planes MCMing against each other would be a different situation.
Well I don’t believe you. That’s why this conversation is happening. Do better.
Also your point about allowing them on your 6 is exactly what the main issue is. Superior energy state forces them to deplete to get within Fox 2 range. If you’re allowing them to win a rate duel (assuming you play with an energy advantage like a competent pilot) it is quite literally a pilot issue.
That’s also incredibly disgusting, pure diceroll gameplay to see who runs out faster
Learn to stop relying on crutches, simple as that.
I’m not convinced of your skill-bases argument. I’m not quite sure about the scope of stealth in planes, but with tanks you progressively get stabilisers, thermals, laser range finders, ERA, etc. Do you mean to say only 1v1 gunfights are worthwhile?
Don’t worry. He’s posting fake stats anyways. I haven’t played 300+ matches of Air RB in a year let alone “monthly” lol this isn’t a good faith thread
a normal joust, requires skill. Even if one person is disadvantaged they can win by being the better player more often than not.
Here’s my example, I win the fight because I was better, we both were in the same situation. It’s a fair, equal fight.
If both of us had notched each other’s missiles we’d have to recommit to a missile shot, which due to our weapon loadouts is a fair engagement, with the gripen being slightly better thanks to FM and defensive kit.
that would have continued till merge, which puts us both on equal footing at the start, giving me a decent chance of hopefully winning it.
Aaand here’s my issue with MCM.
imagine if the gripen had MCM’d in this exact moment, this would be the time where he shot my missile down if he had gone for it.
I’m an F-16, he’s a gripen. I would now be forced to completely give up my position thanks to being stuck in a defensive position. I would have no choice but to defend his Fox-3s as well as the 9Ms (who’s IRCCM type is strongest in this scenario, I would have to leave the notch to flare them properly)
Now IF I could have flared all his 9Ms and notched his Fox-3s we now have the issue of a gripen, being on my six, in a dogfight.
The best F-16 flight model for dogfighting is only 5th place in the rankings, gripen is third.
The F-16C blk 50 is one of the worst F-15 flight models for dogfighting. You see the situation?
The gripen gets a free win by completely removing any chance of me fighting back in the first engagement. 0 skill needed.
If both of us had MCM’d, it would have been a complete gamble for who’s the winner. No skill involved in any of it. I maybe could have won due to higher Fox-3 count, but they’re amraams and at this range we won’t always have the time to intercept them properly.
MCM just completely removes all skill needed to win.
Since we have started stat pulling, I will pre-emptively pull my own, here is my and MiGoon’s stats. Will admit, MiGoon is better, but I don’t see how that negates any of my arguments
My stats: StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
MiGoon’s stats: StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
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Go show me your monthly stats.
Everyone seeing this thread can look at them as your ign is public
They are your stats.
Im not 12 lol defeat my argument or be quiet, boy.
At a disadvantage
Better player
Pick one.
Which argument
The one being that MCM? The most skill-less tactic is good for the game? Or what