Air RB has lines of howitzers, anti-air, and pillboxes.
And the Q-5A is really good at taking out that entire line without being intercepted, it’s the best aircraft at doing that.
So much so I activated Thunderer wagers specifically when running Q-5A cause I knew I’d get it every match.
Ground strike capability should only be a BR factor for ground battles, not air. It has already poorly affected most of the tech tree Tornado’s. Would be understandable if looking at their ground BR but for air it should make no difference.
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No it shouldn’t, ground strike is how STRIKE AIRCRAFT make their rewards to begin with, and the Q-5A is better than the A-10 at doing so:
Note, I’ve used neither in ground realistic battles.
God forbid the Q-5s get their AAMs at least to justify a BR increase, not even the missing ordnance has been added like ffs god forbid a plane that can only bomb is good for bombing
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The Q-5A never had AAMs.
And there’s no evidence of Q-5L.
They’re going up in BR because of their ground strike capability cause they’re… STRIKE aircraft.
And I see @pietr0_1243 resorted to insults after their posts have been proven wrong.
It also contains a blatant false accusation.
An average of 15.9 destroyed targets per match with a 60% survival rate.
everytime you argue on balance you resort on logic that doesn’t apply to anyone but you, like last time when you were saying that the f111f is the best plane in performace in the game because it was the fastest, or when you said that the 23ml had worse flight performance than the JH-7A, you are doing the same job of the A4s bot in game, literally you take off you go destroy some ground targets you return to airfield and j-out, i’m not saying that you are playing the game in a wrong way ( there’s no right way in the beggining ) i’m just saying that you can’t justify these changes in b.r. because you have the playstyle of a bot.
gaijin in moving the Q5A and L up in b.r. destroied the chances it had against other players as a plane to use to have fun in fighting other players instead of raising the b.r. ceiling, i thought you had enough experoence in this game to have the right to say no to useless changes to planes that suffer in the game, because the real problem isn’t the singular plane, but the balance team itself, we have a bigger problem right than a Q5 being mediocre at destrying bots, the fact the the max b.r. is only 14.0 and for that we have planes like su-33/27,F15s,F16s and other fourth gen destroying third gen without remorse.
The JH7A is at 12.3 same b.r. as an F/A18A, this is the real problem, F104S that can face an SU-33, not a Q5 being good at best in doing nothing in a battle.
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I never said the F-111F was the best plane. I said it was the best 11.7 at the time because it had a cracked flight model, it was changed and is no longer the best 11.7 as that arguably goes to the F-111C, but F-111F is still the fastest jet in the game.
The Mig-23M/ML does have worse flight performance than the F-111C, Mig-23MLD, and JH-7A. The Mig-23M/ML cannot pull in like the MLD.
I also rarely J-out in matches, the team has to have lost for me to do so.
War Thunder is not exclusively PVP, it’s a PVPVE game.
If it was purely PVP then the Su-7s would be 9.0 instead of 9.3 as one of dozens examples.
F-18A being under-BR’d is a problem.
there are a lot of planes that are underbrd rn in game, the solution is to move the max b.r. for at least a 0.7 and then to move everyother plane in b.r., and 23ml is a third gen 23 while the 23m is a second gen you can’t say they are the same.
23M<23Ml<23MLD, the ML is still better than an f111c thogh.
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No offence, but I am surprised that I see the nickname of OP, and it is quite bizarre that OP made ‘good post’
Yeah, it is nonsense to send Q-5A/L to 10.0 because of CCIP and ‘a tiny amount of flares’ compared to Q-5A early.
Gaijin always loves to punish strike aircraft with that ‘it bombs too good!’ theory. :/
Tonka, Vark, MiG-27 or Su-24…
So, @TIGER_TANK_1, I’m just asking: Do you still support Gaijin’s ridiculous balancing tactic of ‘balance with income’? What would you like to bring when you were used to defending J-7D in 10.7BR?
(AFAIK, you told us before that it is perfectly fine to keep J-7D to 10.7 because it can’t bomb with napalm and has lower income than MiG-21Bis)
Here’s a bug report that’s been accepted as a suggestion. Community Bug Reporting System
Also them being good at ground attack doesn’t justify them going up in BR. They’re already hilariously high in sim (10.3 and 10.7) and arcade(10.0 and 11.0), they don’t need to be high in RB too.
This also isn’t mentioning the blatant nerf they revived recently, where their 18 flare pops turned from single to double, meaning they now have less effective flares than the J35XS.
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The difference is the J35XS can’t climb while the Q-5s can.
Part of why Q-5s are so survivable is because of their climb rate.
And I should mention that Q-5s while they are among the best if not the best ground strikers in the game, they’re not the only ones.
I’ll mention one that’s slightly inferior: Mig-23BN, and the BN is really good at 9.7 for just taking thunderer away from players.
If we consider that you are 100% right and have even better correctness than Gaijin itself. for arguing’s sake.
Still, I am really unsure that Q-5A/L with no missiles need to be same BR with F-4C, Mirage IIIC(and Shahak), Mirage 5F(and Nesher)
I would rather go with Su-17M2 or F-105D with 4 missiles over Q-5A/L, even if I have these
(I am still grinding rank 5 in CN TT now.)
IMO, Gaijin’s whole ‘balancing by average reward netting’ movements are dumb as hell.
Especially when base bombing and killing grounds get less important as BR goes higher and higher.
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It’s underpowered and has zero defensive capabilities. Unless it gets flares, it will remain worse than the 9.3 F-104s, F-100s, Mig-19s, while being at the same BR as the vastly superior T-2 and Av-8A/C.
I just don’t want the Q-5s to be 10.0 without any sort of offensive capability against aircraft faster than them. Give the L PL-5Bs and put it at 10.3, and put the A at 9.7. I’m not denying that they are great at ground strike, it’s just that they shouldn’t be 10.0 because of their A2A capabilities.
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i would argue that killing ground targets is actually quite beneficial for your team, in no way its bot behaviour
i’d much rather have a q5 killing ground than a mig 21 bombing bases xD
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honestly that would probably be OP as hell since pl-5b is an insanely strong missile
how about granting only 2 PL-5B on Q-5L and put it on 10.7 as ‘side-grade version of A-5C’ then?
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sounds reasonable enough to me, would actually make me get it for once, since at the moment all q-5’s play the same
Bot behaviour is not demenering, it’s what the bots do in game.
What does a A4B bot do in a game, it bombs ground targets, still is not an excuse to raise a b.r. of a plane .
Still someone should make a post to request a raise in b.r., but it won’t happen, look at the responses to the b.r. changes, people asking for the F/A18C to be lowered at 13.7 instead ok asking a raise in the eurofighter,rafale b.r.s. Even in the past i made a post discussing on the b.r. of the F4J(UK) saying that the plane at 12.0 had the same b.r. as an F4S (better in everything) and i talked about how we needed decompression to fix the balance issues in game, but the only replies i got where people asking for the plane to be lowered at 11.3 or 11.7 ( basically bringing more compression to the game and still in the present people want more compression with the F18 as an example.
It’s like solving poverty in the world by killing all the poor people, it’s the same logic that a lot of player have in game.
The problem isn’t 100% the game’s fault, but the community too.
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