Exactly, it’s a different playstyle – one that isn’t that META because of said problems.
Heres the main difference between the PZH2k/VIDAR and other SPGs at lower BRs
Lower BRs spgs are fine as they are
PZH2K its death machine looking like a barn farm,big as hell doing 1 kill each 6 seconds
Sometimes can be hard to kill but thats cause of the random shell post pen damage,not the vehicle itself
The PZH2K can go up to 8.0 and remain ok…
Vidar in the other hand cant be even killed by machine guns or sometimes even autocannons depeding angle,range and ammo used making it a highly trollish meta SPG,one of the most hated vehicles of all time IMO
Lower brs SPGs are just slugish death machine,if you are in a bad spot you pay the price for it,simple as that,those SPGs should not go up br how so ever
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Yeah I agree.
5s reload, but yes.
I think 8.0 would be fine. 7.7 is a little too low.
I think it’s a side-grade to the PZH2000, so they both should be 8.0.
8.3 is pushing it in my opinion.
Yeah.
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Realistically, the only way these SPH’s are gonna be balanced is with 0.7 BR spread, removing their ammo crates, and their respective BRs raised to 8.0.
The PZH2000 especially is a noteable symptom of powercreep in the 7.0-8.0 range.
SPH’s straight up decimate 6.7 to 7.3 tanks due to roofshots, further driving any heavy tanks in that range into obsolecence.
Their armor in most places is too thin to fuse APHE, or has modules that soak up APHE. If you only have AP/APDS/HEATFS, you’re gonna have to pick them apart crewmember by crewmember, or get a lucky shot on their ammo.
Ammo crates also allow these vehicles to take a very small initial quantity of ammunition, thus artifically buffing their survivability even further.
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YEA SURE BRUUHHH
Germany struggling at 8.3 seems not true at all lmfao
Literally every single time i play 10 games at that br with germany its a nuke in one of those games
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It is possible, the problem is how these MBTs are built. You see, most importantly, what is directly below the turret face and if turret face is flat or curved. If it’s curved, it gets tricky, because in WT explosion starts from a point where HE shell touches the armor.
Curved armor may very well hide hull roof,/driver’s hatch. Of course IRL it’s most of the length of the shell that does the exploding.
But in WT if 1 pixel of thick armor is blocking LOS to hull roof, you’re out of luck.
So Abrams is an easy kill, because you can just shoot the turret front and it’ll overpressure through the glacis. But russian tanks require way more precision despite weakspot just below the turret front.
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The PLZ05 needs to move too along with the other howitzers
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I agree entirely. It makes no sense why borderline/literal WW2 shitboxes have to fight these post-CW pain trains day in, day out.
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PLZ05, Sholef, and 2S19M1/2S19M2 just don’t have the maneuverability / gun handling / reload to warrant them to go up in BR.
The PZH2000 has a 5s reload, much better mobility, and better gun handling than the PLZ05, but the PLZ05 gets SAPHE in return (not a good trade). They shouldn’t be the same BR.
The 2S19M2 gets a 6s reload, but gets an abysmal 5.5 degrees per second gun elevation speed, and even more abysmal -4km/h in reverse for better acceleration and slightly better gun depression than the Type 99. I don’t think that is worth it in most cases.
The Type 99 gets a 7.5s reload (same as PLZ05 / Sholef) but gets much better gun handling and much better mobility. However, it doesn’t get a LRF (unlike the PLZ05).
Hence why the 2S19M1 is fine at 7.0, 2S19M2 is fine at 7.3, Sholef is fine at 7.3, and PLZ05 is fine at 7.7, but Type 99 can go to 7.7, and PZH2000 can go to 8.0.
The PLZ05 has a better hp/t and an adjustable suspension to get more gun depression
Good acceleration, sure, but the reverse that the PZH2000 and VIDAR get is much more useful to get out of a bad situation which, more often than not, is the case (especially in urban maps).
The better gun depression is nice, but it is only limited to giving you maybe at most -2 / -3 degrees, which gives it a total of -5 / -6 degrees of gun depression.
This is quite good for an SPH, but it’s still quite tall (thus can’t always make full use of said gun depression), and the maximum gun depression possible is when you’re facing hull front or hull rear, in which case is quite limiting and results in diminishing returns the more you move you turret away from those poles.