No, the T-34 at 4.0 shouldn’t be undetiered.
What do you mean? All 3 at 4.0 are easily 4.3 material?
they are not 4.3 material, the KV-1 ZiS5 is.
Respectfully, I disagree with your opinion. The KV-1 ZiS-5 is 4.3 as well I agree there. But I find it’s more or less on par with the T-34s because of the lower mobility, and the bigger target.
ok, I dont wanna argue nor impose my opinions on others. You like T-34’s at 4.3, i like them at 4.0
Ehhh I agree lets just agree the game needs better balancing lmao
The Italian IV G is slightly different in that it gets the L/48 gun instead of the L/43 gun on the German one but the difference is so minute it really doesn’t matter. But it is still a thing that should be noted.
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That’s the reason it’s at 3.7, along with the turret skirt armour, but everyone is ignoring the fact. Yes it’s not a great difference, but that is the reason.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind a German Pz. IV G/L that’s got the L/48, its not really needed since the H and J are also at the BR but it would be cool because I think the smoke launchers on the G are different than the H and J.
I wouldn’t have a clue, but I love Panzer IVs so all in. Much better than any late war soviet rubbish anyway.
The Tiger has quite a bit more protection when angled, the Panther is even better.
Just depends on the IQ of the moderator.
I think the topic can be wrapped up with:
The Pz IV F2 is 3.3
The Pz IV H with almost twice the frontal armor and a bit more protection for turret and sides is 3.7.
The only real upgrade the Pz IV with KwK 40 ever got was a smoke launchers and/or more armor (which also made it more slugish).
It’s pretty much the same deal with the Tiger H1, Tiger E and the Japanese Tiger, which is somewhat in between the two.
It’s either slightly better or slightly worse, depending on that 0.3 BR difference, then similiar vehicles at the BR.
They’re at 3.7 because their performance isn’t that good overall. They have a 20-25% less win rate and half the kills per death than the T-34s at the same or slightly higher br. The extra hull + track armor doesn’t increase your turret, roof, or side protection which is the biggest faults of the Panzer 4s.
The Panzer 4s can probably drop more in BR.
They get up tiered and down tiered so it’s a pointless conversation all round
I much prefer the A2 Sherman over the 41/42 T-34s. The stab+5 sec reload plus workable armor(keep in mind most ppl won’t know about the gunner sight weakspot) mean you’re fairly tanks and if you aim well you have insane damage potential.
A bit off-topic here. On the topic of radio equipment in soviet tanks:
Moscow, 28-th of June 1943
“Directive No.447c from the People’s Commissariat of Armored Industry regarding the outfitting T-34 tanks with radio equipment”
At the moment only 50% of produced T-34 tank are equipped with radios.
This reduced their combat capabilities and impairs their coordination in a battle.
In order to improve their combat capabilities, it is ordered to:
- Heads of the plants No.112 /cmrd. Rubinchik/, No. 174 /cmrd. Zadorozhnij/ and UZTM [Ural’s Plant of Heavy Machinery] /cmrd. Muzrukov/ - from 20.VIII.1943 install on all produced T-34 tanks transmitter-recievers of model 9P.
- Head of the plant of Kirov /cmrd. Zal’cmann/, from 25.VIII.1943 install on all produced T-34 tanks imported transmitter-recievers of model No.19.
- Head of the plant No.183 /cmrd. Maksarev/, from 20.VIII.1943 install on all produced T-34 tanks: 50% transmitter-recievers of model 9P and 50% of the model “Maluytka T”.
- Head of the GURT’s NKTP [Main Office of Tank Repair of People Comisstariat of Armored Industry], cmrd. Goreglyad, to equip 50% of repaired T-34 tanks with radios model 9P.
Spoiler
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Current win rates between 3.7 with PZ IV G and 6.0 with Panther F/G/A.
Germany players and Russian players have lost all their skills in taking ground. More players either sit back and try to snipe without hunting the enemy, or they leave teammates to die while 5 or 6 get in planes. Two might kill one tank, two die, another two buzz around uselessly before falling to enemy air.
That’s the view from here.
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There is no reason to use the 6.0 trash Panthers. They are far too slow with their super nerfed engine output. Except turret traverse they’re mostly identical to the Panther D, which sits at BR 5.3 and has an unnerfed engine. Or ofc the prototype Panther, which is of less weight and still ungouverned. Its quite speedy. So The 5.0 Panther is the best one. The 20mm less frontal armor are compensated by its mobility. The 6.0 Panthers are one whole BR step higher for no real reason. Why ppl still use them, is beyond me. Use the 5.0 or 5.3 one!
Its similar with the Tiger 1 tanks. H1 at 5.7 or the almost identical Tiger E at 6.0 (why higher?). Here we’ve got the same issue. The prototype Panther at 5.0 and the D model at 5.3 are clearly better than the Tiger 1. They’re more mobile, better frontal armor layout, better gun. So you know what to pick.
German BRs are are bit strange for alot units. So dont use units which got higher BRs for no real reason.
Its the same with Tornado fighter bombers. The Tornado ASSTA is absolutly identical for Air RB purposes to the other two Tornado models, but got a higher BR. Cause it has laser guided bombs…which no one ever uses in Air RB. I guess there are more examples of strange BRs given to Ger units.
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Because the Tiger E has:
- Extra MG
- 50 more horsepower, resuling in better overall mobility.
- Faster turret drive.
- Track add-on armour.
- No DS-mine launchers on the corners of the hull.
- Reinforced mantlet.
- Lower profile and stronger cupola.
- APCR.
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