Let’s hope that’s really true this time.
Unfortunately, with standard atgms it will most likely still only be wire-guided atgms without IRCCM, although the source I found explicitly states that MUSS 1.0 is effective against optically tracked wire-guided, jam resistant 2nd and 3rd generation (those guided by IR seeker) missiles. So also TOW 2A and 2B.
I also wonder whether laser beam riding missiles count as standard atgms or laser guided.
laser beam riding means its laser guided
Yes, but I can still hope that they only mean SAL with laser guided :/
afaik MUSS 2.0 cant counter beam riding altough hendsolt has been working on making it counter beam riding i havent seen yet any sign of it countering beam riding missiles
calling it, MUSS 3.0 will fire targeted EMP blasts to fry the electronic components of incoming missiles/warheads
3 Likes
man you always high on something aint ya?
1 Like
they gave me the same stuff they give the guys at Lockheed
1 Like
Is MUSS 2.0 much smaller or is it just the camera angle in the pictures above?
Compared to previous MUSS 1.0 we have in-game (picture), its a lot smaller.
4 Likes
it is not only much smaller it is stupidly smaller the lower module on the base is not even a fully needed thing is just an addition
1 Like
well it is less than half the height of the normal module + it allows the instalation of the sound sensor module
Spoiler
1 Like
could it be a modification for the puma we get aswell?
possibly in the future, if you want an insight of the new stuff being added to the MUSS 2.0 check here Upgrade für das Schutzsystem MUSS 2.0
MUSS - Multifunctional Self-Protection for Vehicles | HENSOLDT
2 Likes
imma call up the german army and see if i can connect you to their engineer department
1 Like
I also don’t assume that there will be any more precise information than there is now in the next few years or decades.
This kind of information is of course secret (as long as nobody leaks it, you never know with this community).
Everything I could find in German and English is either already in the initial post or in the two posts I shared relatively early in this thread.
In these you can only find the explicit statements that MUSS 2.0 can work against IR guided atgms, that MUSS 1.0 can already jam SAL atgms, SACLOS atgms and rangefinders and that in the development of MUSS 2.0 by Hensoldt the possibility to dazzle beam riding missiles was mentioned.
I haven’t found anything else, except there is in an article by Janes, but it’s behind a paywall, so I can’t say what it says.
Every other source out there I habe found uses the rerm “atgms” when it comes to the capabiliyts of the new laser based jammer, without going into any deatil.
Now of course you can think about how logical or ulogical these options are, but at least I am far from being an expert in this field.
I can only summarise the following from the sources I can find and my own knowledge.
The ability to disrupt IR-guided atgms with MUSS 2.0 sounds the most plausible to me. After all, IR lasers are already used in the DIRCM of aeroplanes to jam IR-guided missiles.
As far as jamming SAL atgms and range finders is concerned, I have no idea how that would work with the jammer. I personally think the author of the source confused the effects if the jammer and the effects of the smoke launcher.
And as far as laser beam riding atgms are concerned, you could either superimpose the laser, which is difficult because the sensor is located on the missile at the rear.
Alternatively, you could dazzle the optics of the targeting device so that the shooter can no longer aim correctly, or even destroy them completely, although I don’t know how much this would affect the accuracy, because it’s not clear to me whether the laser would then remain correctly on the target. Especially if the system is fast enough, you can even dazzle it before the atgm has even been fired, because the laser is activated a short time before the shot.
yeah this is exactly what i was thinking, it is totally plausible they might be already included capacity to counter these missiles but is not fully disclosed if wether it has been put into it or not since they dont specificate
@_KR_Paul Gotta explain sth to you, since you seem to spread this mistake everywhere.
Puma S1 = Puma VJTF , those are the same Puma Variant, the VJTF is just the name of the company it is stationed at.
The Puma S1 does not have the MUSS 2.0 You yourself shared a picture of the MUSS 2.0 device
You will find no active in service Puma with the MUSS 2.0 device since it is still in development.
The only Puma equipped with the MUSS 2.0 is this Prototype, which was shown of this year in the Eurosatory 2024, the Puma S1 is already a good bit older.
There is no specific name yet for this Puma variant that is why OP decided to name it Puma S1 (2024) variant. But depending on it, it might be more accurate to already call it Puma S2.
If you should disagree with my statements , i invite you to show me any picture of a Puma with Muss 2.0 which isnt from the Eurosatory.
And please dont confuse the training devices with the Muss 2.0
6 Likes
I will rename it once there is an official designation for it.
1 Like
oh didnt want to call you out, just explain the choice of your naming. For all that matter Puma S2 is as wrong as Puma S1 (2024) right now. The most accurate would be Puma Eurosatory 2024 Demonstrator, leaving the S completly out of it. Since until S2 still a lot could change as well
1 Like