“wahh waah fighting this vehicle is too hard! Oh and if you disagree then you’re bad at the game”
He literally said his stats, using the vehicles, are too good.
So pretending like he is the problem makes no sense.
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Welcome to forum, we have some special users here so please be patient as they can start throwing tantrum when challenged.
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He doesn’t even have good stats in his T58 compared to his other tanks. If they were actually better than his other vehicles, then maybe he would have a point, but no.
My average KD in most tanks is 1.7 - 2.0…
In the T.58 I almost have a 4.0
So excuse me? Want to run that logical fallacy by me again?
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9.0 is ridiculous, 8.7 it’ll likely move to though.
Personally prefer t54e1
9.0 is not ridiculous, it has a 2.6 sec load time. 40° a sec turret drive.
The HEAT is OP, great pen, and over pressure.
It bullies 9.0s as is, and 9.3s
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9.0 might be pushing it for an unstabilized not mobile vehicle, but at minimum it needs to be 8.7 along with the Turm III. I haven’t had a ton of issues facing the T58 with 8.0 Sweden, but I do think it should go up if it keeps it’s reload.
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While I am aware of it’s capabilities I’m also vastly aware of its flaws.
Ive been farming 9.3 for a bit now to get the lane to oplot opened.
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What flaws? Poor reverse? And it’s huge?
Seems to eat HE, and as long as you keep 1 loaded round, it seems to load pretty quick vs an empty loader.
8.7 is too low, as you can decimate all 7.3s as is, 7.7s pose very little threat as well as 8.0s.
8.3s are still a very little threat.
8.7 okay a tiny bit of concern
9.0 slightly difficult,
9.3 alright alright, gotta use my brain a bit.
8.7 for the Turm yes, 9.0 for the T58, stabbed or not, it’s oscillated turret is very good
Its weak armoured to darts.
No stab
Weak to heat as well.
You’re talking about sitting it within range of seeing leopard 2K, AMX 40 and such…
As well as sitting in a range where it’ll consistently see the likes of T72, leopard 1a5, ZTZ 88s etc
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It’s not weak to those, I continue to bounce darts, and heat. The turret collar is 406mm as is
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Good for you, I’ve came across plenty of them and tanned them.
Ancedotal evidence means nothing
If you say so, it’s a very very good tank.
Definitely better than the obj. 279
No other tank can do what I just did
I’m sorry we have to just accept the fact we shall disagree.
279 is objectively superior to the T58.
The rapid fire is nice, however it is only 6 rounds, it is unstabilised, poor mobility overall as well as weak to most Apfsds and the majority of apds.
Never mind heat / hesh.
Hell ive taken a few T58s out with 105 hesh to the top of the turret.
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Let’s be honest here, the Obj.279 has less pen, a slower reload and armor that is only trolly in the hull.
Meanwhile:
T-58 has a trolly turret (the bit you have to expose to kill an enemy.)
A 2.6 sec load time with 406mm pen, and an HE effect that is bigger than the 130 of the 279
The mobility is truly the only difference.
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What’s the point of moving everything up like that? The t26e5 and tigers are both 6.7, so why move them to 7.0?
The 279 has a more consistently effective round.
Stabilised and substantially more.mobile.
The T58 will goto 8.7 , where it would be fine.
9.0/ 9.3 are just too high for it.
Also you’re massively overselling the pen to effective use shots.
It’s low velocity af as well as a massive target, which you can pen clean through tbe front of the turret with just about any apds
Because they all bully 5.7 so badly it’s not even funny.
The T26E5 is a power house
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