I personally like the T-35-85E, the little beds don’t always save you from HEAT, but it’s really nice when annoying M-51 players are about.
And yes, I agree… not sure why the Finnish KV-1 is the same br as the Russian one.
As the Finnish ones turret can bounce the M4A3E2 rounds with ease, where as the Russian one cannot.
I mean, M44 can kill 8.0 tanks with ease. Does this mean it should be 8.3? No. This argument is invalid, sorry man.
Is the M44 stabilized? And can it survives low caliber HE? No.
Your argument is very poor
But I’ll gladly continue to destroy any enemy opposition, as I have more pen than some 8.0s, while being stabilized, and faster.
It’s a light tank that can kill anything it sees frontally. How isn’t it broken?
Does the APDS do the same damage as HE? No. While u in M44 oneshot everything, in M551 ur lucky man when u 3shot things. So is the stabilizer and weak armor the main point why it sits at 7.0? Like okay, then whos argument is invalid.
I mean a lot of top tier tanks especially German DM rounds have more pen than other nation rounds, they are also stabilized and fast. Why are they at same br as other nation tanks when they could have only APHE?
So from what I can see you are just mad that it destroys you frontally in your heavy tank and wants it gone from ur mm. There are more than enough tanks that are also capable of destroying frontally more thing that you can imagine. Does it mean they should be at higher br? No. BR DECOMPRESSION should happen. Not these nonsense “Br change suggestion”.
Yes? The first thing barely matters and the 2nd thing bumps it up in BR by a full 1.0, very much fine.
USSR cope.
If the T-34-85 isn’t 5.7 material neither are half of the tanks there.
Both guns have to go for tiny weakspots that are not practical unless the IS-3 is giving you an easy shot at them…
awful gun even for 6.7
no lol, just a solid tank.
It’s APDS struggles against Tiger II’s UFP so you’ll have to use same old turret cheek weakspot to go through. Same thing goes for IS-3 as well.
German M41 at 6.7 surely ignores armor much better than M551(76) but it doesn’t have a stabilizer, so I’d say 7.0 is still a decent BR for M551.
A lot of these are good, but then some others are very questionable if not wrong.
M50 6.7 > 7.3 (small size, quiet engine, ability to rapid fire 6 rounds, very easy to bush up).
The M50 isn’t a Rakaten/USH: The launchers are offset and require notable corrections when engaging targets at range to maintain accuracy, let alone trying hit a specific area or weakspot.
Add the fact that M443A1 has terrible spalling (prepare to center mass a Tiger 2 and turn the crew yellow) and there’s no way this thing should be sitting at 7.3 when way better vehicles exist at 6.7 and 7.0.
(Also, you really should have included the M26 Pershing going 6.3>6.7, it’s awful to play at 6.7 and was perfectly fine at 6.3.)
T92 7.0 > 7.3 (Tends to bounce or eat shells, fast, small, very easy to bush and hide, potent HEATFS)
The T92 is perfectly fine where it’s currently at.
A lot of very important traits get worse on the T92 in comparison to the M41A1 just for very minor upgrades like mediocre HEAT-FS and slightly faster reload that cause a whole BR jump to 7.0.
Luchs 7.3 > 7.7 (better Wiesel but bigger with a 360 degree turret rotation.)
The Type 87 RCV (P) is already insanely terrible at 7.7, and it has the exact same weapon but stabilized; we don’t need another terribly over BR’d 20mm.
Df105 8.0 > 8.3 (10 shot HEAT mag, with a 5 sec load time, can bounce early APFSDS, and eats auto cannon rounds).
There’s no way the DF105 should be at the same BR as vehicles like the AMX-10RC and MARS-15 💀
Both of them are WAY faster, both have APFSDS, both have laser rangefinders, and both have similiar levels of survivability; the DF105 is perfectly fine at it’s current BR.
Gepard 8.3 > 9.0 (often used to zoom to a flank and wipe half a team due to great APHE, and it’s APDS can kill the heaviest of tanks, also way too good of an aa for just 8.3, it can easily down helicopters, and planes with ease).
It’s on par with the AMX-30 S DCA, which was raised to 8.7. It should go to the same BR given 9.0 is pushing it way too far for an autocannon SPAA with no HE-VT when the exact same vehicle with MANPADS missiles is 9.7.
Itpsv Leopard 8.7 > 9.3 (being a better, and better armored Gepard, it’s strange it’s only been one br higher. 9.3 is a good fit for it though.)
Same reason for objection to Gepard BR increase. Itpsv’s hull armor is completetly useless when any hit to the turret will insta-kill it via ammo explosion, along the fact that the 2A4 hull’s composite is incredibly weak and gets lolpenned by 105mm M111 Hetz (the 2nd weakest 105mm APFSDS and insanely common above BR 8.3).
no they are legitimately fine at the br they are at, they’re only bully tanks in a downtier and that’s not very common in my experience
Is that why I get nearly a nuke each game? 6+ kills a Cap and so in the T29 per game? Or the T26e5? Etc etc.
Have you played the Gepard, itpsv or the df105?
Well, df105 is an excellent tank, I have noobish buddy who plays that and he does rather good in it, 3-5 kills a life, meanwhile while playing it I average between 3-9 kills a life.
Gepard can kill the heaviest of tanks with its APDS, and has superb APHE. It easily outclasses the other 8.3 AAs in the game, by speed, damage, etc. it is necessary for balance to see it be raised in br.
Itpsv it very much like the Gepard, only faster, and hull shots are often doing no damage. Since I have gotten 3 nukes in the said vehicle, I can easily tell you, that most people shoot for the hull at first, and don’t realize they can 12.7 you frontally. Also, as for the ammo being struck, usually the FCS or electronic equipment is hit along with a crew member, it’s not typically the ammo that is struck.
I see people get nukes in these all the time, playing it as an anti tank. There should be no reason for an aa to easily get a nuke, where as things like the ZSUs, PGZ, Sidams, AMX, etc cannot all follow suit with such ease.
The 90 mm guns at 6.7 are really good so. also I don’t get why you’re trying to say that my opinion is incorrect if you don’t agree with my opinion fine but don’t try to force your opinion on others
Forcing my opinion? No.
Displaying pure fact? Yes.
All the tanks I suggest going up in br are more than capable.
They’re played poorly by people who are un-skilled typically though.
That’s literally your opinion, not a fact. hypocrite. btw unskilled? how about sniping a player from 1000m in a m56 without rangefinding
That’s pretty easy. Was using the panther A killing people at varying distances between 300-1600 meters without even range finding.
lol ah yes, the insult because I have “nerfed” one of your favorite tanks.
1 you didn’t nerf anything
2. no one except you has mentioned a Panther
3. no one insulted you
The fact that you thought that saying you were a hypocrite when you contradicted yourself by saying that your opinion was a fact is sad.
btw according to the wiki everything you listed is rated at least 4 in regards to balance, also interesting that you deleted everything in your post
Calling someone a hypocrite is an insult no? Nor am I a hypocrite lol.
We are having debates over tanks, not me forcing my opinion, if I was doing that I would be able to delete message I don’t agree with no?
But they’re still there to gather “people’s opinions”
I never said I nerfed anything. That’s why I put in quotes.
Not really sure what the panther A has anything else to do with this convo. You clearly missed the message where I was saying it can be done with any tank, you just have to know your tank.
Nor do I recall anywhere saying, I was basing anything on opinion.
Look, if you want to hop in some games, add me on Xbox. I’ll show you how to play these tank with ease.
I mostly agree with all of these but there are the us tanks which should not be moved up in br… they are fine where they are… same goes for german tiger 2s…
Along with that the gepard is fine where it is… It is an anti air and not a anti tank having only guns at that br is no use as an anti air… also poor armour… 1 bmp2 is all it takes to down it.
Also…
BMP3 9.3>10.3 If begleitpanzer is going up… This thing should too… especially with good thermals, fire rate and capability to fire on the move…
TAM 2C 10.3>10.0 Either lower br or a better reload rate like 5s aced… cuz no armour ok mobility ok round while being same br as boxer mgs and cv90105 , both of which have 5s reload autoloaders…
BMP-3 at 10.3 with APDS and a 26s reload on it’s ATGM.
I doubt that’s good.
So. Just putting this out there, the ZSU-57-2 is a good anti tank right? For lighter mediums and light tanks etc. while being a terrible aa.
The Gepard has the same or better mobility than pretty much every tank it sees. Better fire rate, godly APHE.
Not to mention an APDS belt, that will kill every heavy but the Maus from the side.
It is also, by far the best aa at its br. The radar is so accuracy is way too good, I lock a plane and it’s dead in a second or two.
Take the Sidam, zsu-23-4 or something similar and they don’t even compete. (This just reminded me to take a look at the Type 87).
Why the Beglit should go up, and perhaps a minute bump in br for the bmp?
Simple. BMP-3 doesn’t have proxy fuse, and the atgm reloads faster on the Beglit, while having better angled armor, better speed, and a higher damage gun, with higher penetration. (It may be just me, but I feel like the Beglit it far quieter than most tanks as well).
The BMP-3 doesn’t have irst lock, which means you need to manually aim to take down aircraft, which isn’t super terrible, but proxy fuse makes it a cake walk.
The main cannon can fire ATGMs, but has a very long load time, making you rely on your 30mm cannon with roughly the same fire rate as the Beglit.
Both have an LRF, the real gimmick is the floatation ability of the bmp-3 and the HE on the 100mm, it’s purely good up close, terrible otherwise. It only flys at I think 300 m/s.
Which, gaijin still hasn’t fixed the ranging issue for the HE on the Bmp-3, bmd-4 or bmd-4m. If you range with HE it flys like another 10 feet lol.