I’d take an XM800T over it, every single time. But you are right. Whatever happens - Fox should be below XM800T in BR.
joke tier take, is-3 is far better in grb, kt105 isnt even better than the kt88
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They both have their benefits, both should be 8.0 though.
One is more anti tank, the other, anti light tank
Send a photo of its shell.
DF105 is a monster 5 second reload. The 8.0 Marder is stabilised and has thermals and an ATGM.
It’s not incredibly strong it’s good at hiding, the rounds shatter a lot more now on tanks it faces and even lighter vehicles yes it can kill but side shots. It’s strength is being small and the average war thunder players memory span.
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Well, the DF105 is undertiered decently.
The marder is not stabilized. I spaded both of them.
Also, how is it fair for the enemy team, when I’m across the whole map in 15 secs, and can spawn camp? It’s not.
Engine noise doesn’t mean anything when your stationary, and the fox’s cannon is closer in stability to the xm800, than anything like the BTR or marder.
I thought it was my mistake
Oh my god. How about I send you a photo of the 88 penning everything it needs to anyway easily while having half the reload? Literally every good player understands why the kt88 is better.
No, it isn’t.
I did forget the 1a3 had this, it’s still not a difference that really matters in this case.
doesn’t help it often
Point is, Fox is not worse than these in a 7.7-8.0 context
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What is so hard about sending me a photo of the shell?
What is so hard about understanding that I disagree with you that the 105’s pen or filler advantage matters? What else are you going to say about it?
TKX (P) and M1A1 are probably the best 11.3s in the game. 90A sitting just a single BR step below is a compression issue.
That being said, T-90A could go down if it loses 3BM60, otherwise not even a chance.
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Loses 3bm60 in trade of what 3bm46? It still will be able to see 11.7s at 10.7
It’s cons make it good frontally, little else
Pz.Rot
251 pen, 240g HE filler.
Pz.gr.39/43
239 pen, 64g explosive mass.
Seems a bit more than a “side grade” I would much rather suffer the 5 sec reload difference, to have the increased pen, and even better he filler, likely to over pressure.
Either 3BM46 or 3BM42, but most likely the former.
At that BR it could be a slower alternative to the T-80B that offers better thermals, ammo and armor in return.
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Yeah I could get behind that
The penetration difference is immaterial, there’s basically nothing the 105mm will go through that the 88mm can’t. It’s also a larger shell, meaning volumetric will troll you more often.
The filler difference is nice, and does overpressure, but the long 88 already oneshots fairly consistently with well placed shots, and will at minimum cripple whatever it penetrates.
Meanwhile, you trade the biggest advantage the 88 has compared to it’s contemporary guns, the short reload. It means you’re more easily able to push targets during trades, it make you more capable of engaging multiple vehicles at once, it’s more forgiving for misplaced shots, etc. You’re just more flexible overall.
For reference, guns that the 88mm outreloads or matches that the 105mm can’t include: The American short 90mm, the Soviet 85 and 100mms, the British 32 pounder, the Japanese 105 and 155mm, the French 100 and 155mm, and the 142mm ACRA launcher.
I prefer the flexibility of the shorter reload over the increased lethality (of what’s already a very lethal gun) on the 105mm.
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They just need to put the all the 2A7 variants (HU and STRV 122B) at a higher br
T-90M with it’s pretend armour can also join them. Takes all the fun out of the game when you are pixel hunting and these 2 tanks just absorb rounds. Currently if you are not using a German or Russian tank no point in playing.
reload speed… 88 still autopens most things tiger 2 meets and still 1 shots almost everything.
You would hardly see Soviet 85s unless your in a full downtier, plus, the 85mm can only hit you in the side. Which is the same effect that would occur if the IS-3 was 7.0, and the Tiger II was 7.0, which would make them equal.
So what, you suggest the Tiger II 105 and Tiger II Hs become 7.0?
Because, you literally just said you agree with me, fire rate decides all, and the IS-3 has 1 shell per the Tiger IIs 2.75 shells.
The Tiger can bounce 122mm rounds as well, even though yes the front of the turret is the easy pen spot, it often eats the 122mm due to volumetric.