Project 120, you said it used a short-rod armor-piercing projectile, but did you look at its warhead mass? It has a higher warhead mass than anything below 10.0. The 120 project is my favorite vehicle to play with, and its shells are very good. If you think the T3485’s 85mm APDSDS is comparable to the 152mm HEATFA, I have nothing to say.When you mention other vehicles, you will mention its shortcomings. When the T34-85 is mentioned, only its gun performance is mentioned, and its body, which was obsolete in World War II, is not mentioned at all. And do you make a meaningful comparison between a medium tank and a light tank in terms of armor?
I mention the M-51 because it uses the same ammo as the DF105, but one at 6.3 and one at 8.0.You can’t assume that just because the M51 uses 8.0 ammo that it should go to 8.0.
DF105 has a reloading time of 4 seconds and is much better than M51 in all aspects,
Moreover, ZTS63Gai is already at 7.7 T3485 and cannot be lower than him
T-34-85 must be lower. Worse mobility, taller stature, no scouting, no 12.7 mg , worse suspension set up (bouncier) and lower top speed. You say “muh stronger armour” it doesn’t matter, T-34-85 chassis still super fragile at higher tiers, armour obsolete after 4.0 br.
I advice 7.0 or 7.3 for laser rf modification.
Stronger engine, somewhat slower transmission (61 km/h vs 64 km/h really isn’t a difference)
Genuinely not true, they are pretty similar
??? This does have a dszk maybe read the suggestion? You can literally see the pintle mount. This is a T-34-85 Gai not a T-34-85 1944
No??
Already disproven
Killed by 100mm HE and able to get .50 caled vs able to withstand some shells if lucky and able to withstand HE
I don’t believe you have even touched the T-34-85 man, I’ve spaded all T-34s in the game (except Finnish) and the armor really isn’t that bad, it is similar to a M4A3
I see this being added at 8.0 with APFSDS, where I would happily play with it
doesnt matter, lower hp/t , 16.1 fot T-34-85, and 21.7 for ZTS-63
ok maybe
MG can be mounted, but it isn’t. So gaijin will not model it in. It is the same situation with the Jagdtiger, where the pole at the back on top of the engine deck can mount an MG but gaijin didn’t.
yes, I have played both tanks, and it is harder to shoot on the move for the T-34-85
You didnt disprove anything, in fact proved me right. The mobility is worse
Still doesn’t matter, what are the odds of someone using 100mm HE? IF they have to switch shells, an anti-tank shell will do the same job to T-34-85. T-34-85’s armour doesn’t provide protection while producing spaling at this tier, it is irrelevant and should be played/ treated as a light tank
one of my top played tanks is the at-34-85-gai and the Finnish T-34, where with the GAi I have 700+ kills and 400+ deaths. So dont make uneducated guesses.
This will be redundant because the Type-69 exists.
At the end of the day you just want this tank to be dead on arrival, and sabotage this vehicle with such good potential. My suggestion br of 7.3 is not unreasonable at all, with this being played like a glass cannon.
This is a joke but this tank unless Gaijin gives it a low BR your going to get the full 1998 North Korea experience here. Your a glass hammer you strike all at once or not at all.
Okay and neither is the laser rangefinder lol. I don’t think you understand how the tank is now on display. In actual service this would have the dszk
Incredibly likely at 7.7-8.0 lol do you even play this game? T-54 exists bro. Also I don’t think you understand how much of a difference not being able to be .50 caled and having some auto cannon protection means.
I mean it was pretty educated, you seemed to have not read the suggestion
It is quite unreasonable being lower than the ZTS-63 lol 😂😂
Got it, you just want this tank dead on arrival, if not why argue so much with me.
tbf, that’s a lot of tanks
also you’re, not your
All points disproven, proceeds to go to ragebaiting.
Nice one lol
you didn’t disprove anything, my pints still stand. Ok, even with dshk this tank is not worth 7.7 or higher. It doesn’t belong up there nor does the ZTS-63, which should be moved down to 7.3. Even the RU-251 is at 7.3
I am not ragebaiting, I am right the tank will be dead on arrival at 7.7 or 8.0
low tier T-34 is a beast
what are you trying to achieve? This comment is useless and adds absolutely no substance to the conversation.
People mainly will have anti tank shells loaded, either case of ZTS or T-34 doesnt get one shot, enemies will still have to reload a second shot to kill. For the ZTS the second shot will be an HE shell, but the T-34 the second shot will still be an anti-tank shell.
No one will main 100mm HE just to hunt overpressure-able tanks.
In fact I have.
even with DShk given this will not reward a BR increase, if not the T-34-85 gai would be 6.0 br.
Why are you so incredibly mad about this lol. I don’t think you understand my points, you are just so mad all you see is rage
Simple, because I do not want this tank dead on arrival, this tank has so much potential.
Dude, take a look at the Cold War tanks between 7.7 and 8.0 in the game, and then you can decide its game level. Of course, after reading your comments, I’m sure you won’t change anything. Because your eyes are only fixed on its cannon and rangefinder. And completely ignore anything else. Like the brother above said, you can still stick with your 7.7-8.0 if you expect it to get blasted by various tanks during the Cold War as soon as it comes out. I will choose T114, M60, CLOVIS, M48, T54, 906, TO55,120， ZTZ59,69， PZH2000, STRV103, and I hope you drive it in my opposite team. Ha ha ha.
Don’t worry its a T-34 even though its Chinese that Russian Bias will follow it.
According to your calculations,Although it uses APFSDS, it is basically the same as the main 6.7 and 7.0 vehicles in the current game…The APCBC of the King Tiger’s 88mm gun has an armor-piercing range of 207 mm at 1 km, the APCBC of the US T29 has an armor-piercing range of 219 mm at 1 km, and that of the Soviet T44-100 is 202 at 1 km. Considering its penetration depth at close range, it is relatively low.If the APFSDS is simply given instead of the laser rangefinder, then its weight level should not exceed 6.7. If the laser rangefinder is given, it should be more appropriate to put it in 7.3.I don’t know if my understanding is correct?
The diagonal penetration of APFSDS is superior to all kinetic energy armor piercing shells