I wonder what genius was like, “hey, we need a 10.3 premium, so why don’t we use a tank that is 11.0, use that chassis, and then throw on two 30mm cannons, and use tandem charge ATGMs as well!” Since apparently they are only given a BR to play with.
Also, I love how his excuse for no dozer blade is, “we were given a BR to make a premium at” because as we all know, dozer blades are OP and will send a tank up in BR.
That’s not what they were referring to in regards to the dozer, a lot of vehicles are missing dozers including all of the m60s
I’m so glad Gaijin can keep in fictional missiles (Kh-38s), but refuses to give dozer blades. Then again, dozer blades would allow players to do something besides drive forward into each other like an offbrand Shipment/Nuketown match.
how no lol? is the sabra 6.0 seconds like?
It’s never stopped anything for me.
The TTS should and oculd fire the m900A1 the Rise it’s been tossed into question, however the M833 should be there at the very least.
Could not agree more man.
Liek when they randomly slammed DM53 on arietes for example, it’s never fired DM53 in its lifespan.
pretty poor excuse for what it is, why give it the camo and not just make it a reskin in the TT?
The rise shouldn’t lose out on what it historically had just because you lot feel like it.
How many other M60 variants are there that could of been used, why use one from 1991 then not give it any of the kit which makes it from 1991.
hell could of used a T95E variant with a stab and made it 8.7 just the same.
something like this could of also been what you added as the prem over what we have now.
Should be able to fire m900, marines used the + version which swapped the barrel out for the m68e1 pre gulf war I think.
Also dont argue with Moto. Nothing you say will get through.
As far as I am aware as well mate, which is what’s frustrated me so much with this, why not use the 1978 version (i think ti was) and call it a day, put a fancy desert camo on it and bang.
Why use the specific variant from an extremely famous historical war and then not give it any of the kit related to said war.
Yeah, that’s what I said to the dev guy.
Which I am gonna reword the comment because I was impolite.
Might not be a dev thing, how big is their team? Could be a think group that does the content planning/fiscal projections (marketing), and then tells the devs what to do.
But yeah, they could have just made it a thematically appropriate vehicle for the era they wanted. Could have even pulled stuff from the war games they did during the cold war. Like a themed pack like they did with overlord.
M60 with the radar equiped duster and a tow humvee or something.
The number of themed packs that could have slightly unique vehicles for different events would have been a real money maker, especially for the big nations. People would have gone nuts over a 9.7 BR pack for the gulf war, or desert storm… all sorts of stuff.
Warno did an interesting m1IP with welded steel plates on the cheeks plus the m900a1 (or x1 forget what the number is). They could do ALL sorts of stuff like this… but they dont.
It’s funny because several American tanks are using older ammunition than they should be. It actually makes me angry that bullets like the M833 (and there are other bullets that are the same) become mere transitional rounds, since most tanks equipped with the M833 can unlock the M900, meaning the older bullet is quickly obsolete.
Aside from the topic of bullets, they could give the M60A3TTS the ERA armor as an unlockable module, so that if people want to use it historically, it can be removed, since the TTS with ERA was just a prototype, meaning that all the M60A3TTS tanks in service didn’t have ERA.
Another somewhat related issue. I find it frustrating to have the Magach 3 (ERA) at BR8.0, while in the tech tree we have the Magach 5 also at BR8.0, even though they are exactly the same except for one small difference. The Magach 3 (ERA) has the APDS M392A2, while the Magach 5 has the APDS-FS M111. Both tanks are from the 1980s, but one uses a 1960s round, while the other uses a late 1970s round, meaning one has the correct round while the other doesn’t. I’m quite sure this happened for a reason: the Magach 3 (ERA) was added to the game as an early 1970s model with its historical ammunition, but later they decided to give it the ERA armor, transforming it into a late 1970s model. However, they apparently decided not to change the ammunition since it was a premium tank. Developers cannot allow players to benefit from their own mistake, since they bought a tank with an old bullet, and with the change they would receive a better bullet without having paid more real money.
That’s interesting, I had briefly looked at the isreali tree and wondered what was so different between m60/m48 at the same brs.
I think they lack a coherent plan for tech tree implementation so every time they do something they have to rehash the convo. Hence the inconsistency across trees.
Might also be a leadership issue. Seen a lot of smaller corps make endlessly poor decisions because the owner or a small group of leaders are not remotely tallented at running a business.
Developers are still the ones who can decide if it get’s a munition or not.
Hence why it gets passed to devs from bug reports etc.
Know what I mean there was so many options which wouldn’t have caused a backlash of anykind.
It would be pretty cool to get some of the actual unique equipment implemented oppose to copy and paste.
I mean m833 is only on a smattering of vehicles, the TTS firing M745 or whatever it is from teh abrams with like 380 pen also makes little sense as the TTS is an even more modern program so it could fire M900.
I know, so look at that, 9.3 premium sorted, TTs with the M833 round, no ERA , or the otehr way around the ERA prototype as the premium and the TT variant as without etc etc.
Wait the megach 5 is at the asme BR as the 3ERA? I have te 3ERA from the US tree from before it moved.
The issue is, they’ve got so many half baked tanks with their wrong ammos or wrong loadouts in case of planes and they just ignore them as it’s lower BRs.
I’ve no idea how many people have reports for tanks at around 6.7 - 9.3 which are just ignored completely.
It makes no sense to me, i’ve the megach 3 ERA for USA and it’s at 8.0, teh same BR as the M60. Though it doesn’t have access to the M111 ammunitions and such.
Gaijins devs seem to be the one’s who make the decisions
also caveat, the M900A1 was specifically designed for the M68 cannon as it had lower pressure. As to not break the mountings.
So the round had been / is specifically designed for it
For me, Israel’s approach is a bit crazy, since changes could be made by giving the tanks more appropriate ammunition. For example, Arab countries didn’t receive APDS or HEAT-FS rounds for their T-54s, with the APCBC being the only good round they had. It’s reasonable to assume that the Tiran 4s with Soviet-built guns would use that same captured ammunition. Then there are several tanks where the ammunition they use could be varied, allowing them to switch between the M111, M413, M426, and even add the M429 (similar to the M900).
Thats a really insightful point. Wouldve made the tree more interesting for sure.
The Magach Premium has been in Br8.0 for a while now, and when they added the Magach 5 they also put it in Br8.0 with the difference being the ammunition.
That’s neat about the ammo being made for lower pressure barrels.
Also, good point on the devs.
Oh I know it’s been 8.0 for years now, i got the thing when it was 7.7 not long after it was added. Though i didn’t realise the megach 5 had the M111 at 8.0? I know it’s not stabilised but nor is the 3 ERA,. Surely they’re not suggesting the 3 is at the same BR due to the ERA access?
So it didn’t break the mountings for the M68 breach mate, hten the upgraded breach as you mentioned allowed them to fire it more commonly.
Every bug report, every decision gets passed to “developers” for action.
They are the ones who decide where things go, why and how.
They are also the ones who decide to ignore so much.
Not one to stir up bother but this patch has been more ridiculous than any other.
Well, I think many times they don’t know what they’re doing, or they do things and then forget about them for other vehicles. What I am sure of is that the devs aren’t going to improve the premium tanks they already are, even for realism (making them worse, yes, like the Italian M60).
I mean look at the hunter F58 early, the one in the TT for germany, that has an RWR which it didn’t have IRL as well as access to other pieces of equipment it didn’t have IRL.
Meanwhile the Squadron one is still just called the F58. Which makes no sense.
as technically it was a different variant.
Oh also I didn’t realise the Megach 5 had ERA as well, i thought it was the bald one.
Sabra is (stock/ace) 7.8s → 6.0s
RISE is 8.7s → 6.7s
Unlucky.
I’m in support of it getting its munitions as long as a TT version with them is added as well. Tanks like Cobra King and Black Cat hellcat are good examples of how TT copy-paste is way healthier than unique prems.
