Help i bought this tornado and it says that my purchase hasnt been comfirmed and i already tried 2 times while it got comfirmed more that an hour ago
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Hey, so what’s up with the claim that this aircraft won’t be meeting the F-16 in matchmaking?
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Well, I don’t know…
The camouflage looks interesting, but I was wondering what WTD 61 means…
It’s from the German name ( Wehrtechnische Dienstelle WTD 61 ) and it’s …
Defense Technical Services 61 - Bundeswehr’s test center for aviation technology…
If he got weapons like Taurus KEPD 350 or Storm Shadow or Brimstone, it would be quite interesting…
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The literal only thing worth of the pre order is the dope decal
Worst top tier premium ever released
What’s worse is that its entirely by choice. The Tornado IDS, even without guided weapons, could have such potential. It is only gaijin who chooses to leave them in their current state.
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I wanted to actually elaborate on this. The problem is 3 fold:
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Gaijin chose to add a Tornado IDS variant that may or may not have been able to equip guided weapons. All 3 Tornado nations have good options for essentially a C&P of their main TT Tornado IDS’s but as a premium. This would give an effective answer for Germany withwise to the Su-39 and likely would have sold quite well. Instead the decision was made to add a Tornado that lacked guided weapons; that anyone with common sense would have seen not being well recieved by the community.
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The current state of air-modes (and maybe even ground-modes) leaves very limited gameplay for aircraft such as the Tornado. With the lack of guided weapons, this perticular Tornado’s best place to operate will likely be the air modes. Whilst this aircraft will excel in Air Sim, that gamemode is not for everyone and only a small minority will play it there. Most will try to fly it in Air Arcade or Air Realistic. In which case, its performance is far more minimal, but mostly because of how these gamemodes are designed. Over the years, the value for what is essentially a bomber, has been greatly diminished. A new gamemode such as an Enduring conflict gamemode akin to Air Sim but with Realistic controls and third person like in Air Realisitc would greatly improve their outlook. Likewise radical improvements to Air Realistic could also acheive great results.
The compression within these gamemodes also really doesnt help. Whilst the Tornado would be fine against F4s, Mig-23s, etc (those actually at its BR), they are not equipped to handle the continuous encounters with the top tier aircraft, especially the newer ones. though at least at 11.0 the WTD doesnt have to face those. But will still have to defend against F-16s and Mig-29s.
- The final issue is the current state of the Tornado IDS’s themselves. All 5 of them. The most generous and accurate descriptor I think I can apply to the Tornado’s is that they are “unfinished” or “Work-in-progress”. They have tremendous potential, but have a lot of missing features, those include:
- Incomplete flight model
- Missing 95% of their CM count (BOZ pods should have 28 flares and 600 chaff each)
- Missing ECM (replaces a BOZ pod)
- Radar is basically missing (Full ground mapping radar would be more niche in its usefulness, but its total absense is definetly felt)
- Missing a large number of ground attack weapons (Both guided and unguided)
It is that last point that is most notable. For the WTD the lack of guided weapons wouldnt necessarily matter if it had its prinicple unguided weapons, most notably CBUs. CBUs were the primary anti-tank weaponary employed by the Tornado’s as seen in this RAF document (best I have):
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but also more specialised weapon systems like MW-1. That I think anyone would spend £60 just to have (though making this a paid exclusive would be a massive mistake)
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All 3 of these issues could be addressed by Gaijin if they wanted to. Change the aircraft into a different variant of the Tornado (though i beleive sources have been provided for it to have guided weapons), Fix Air modes for better strike aircraft value and actually finish the Tornado IDS. The ball is truly in their court
For the record. I actually really enjoy the Tornado IDS. It is a great aircraft. Now as someone who does actually play it in Air Sim almost exclusively. I have a biased opinion. In that gamemode. Its performs exceptionally well. But it feels unfinished. Too often you find yourself in situations which the Tornado should be able to handle, but simply cant because its missing something. Like the massively felt absense of most of its CM count. Plenty of possible stop-gap solutions have been suggested for this, but they seem to have all been rejected without any clear explanation as to why.
This Tornado has great potential, I am even tempted to buy it one day as a way to farm out the German line and if it had come to the British TT, then I would have probably already purchased it. The missing guided weapons doesnt massively impact me in Air Sim and it would be great with the Premium economy modifiers and slightly lower BR. But I would still expect it to be finished ASAP, because it is a lot of money for a half-finished aircraft, with a very niche use.
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I like your optimism
but su25bm is not a premium
True, but its more affordable option than Su-39 and it sits at BR where it cant face majority of irccm missiles, of course you have to spade it first but if you’re just looking for a cas aircraft and you dont have su-25 line grinded up, it might be a good deal for around 20€ and it seems like it will stay like this for a while
What did you ask them?
What they did used on there IDS at WTD61… since the snail try the retarded mode…
The only thing you need to find out is if it could equip and use a Targeting pod, any Targeting pod. All Torando’s should be able to equip GBUs but may be dependent on a second aircraft to buddy spike the target as they may not be outfitted to equip a T-Pod and self lase . (Tornado Gr1s carried GBUs in Desert Storm despite lacking the ability to have a targeting pod at the time and were dependent on Buccaneer S2Bs to paint targets for them. They then got upgraded after the war)
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But they won’t add pods, cause that’ll worsen Russian WR. Anything they can do to neuter the oppositions of Russia they will. Don’t buy lackluster top tier premiums even if they’re on sale. I made this mistake with the F4EJ ADTW, I thought I was just gonna bomb my way through the Japanese line and didn’t mind that it’s literally a worse F4E at the same br.
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Yeah, F4JUNK is the same on the British line, I’m glad I never spent money on it. But we can hope that one day they’ll spend 5 minutes finishing the tornado
I guess this was a lie, no way such a decision has to be discussed that long.
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If they don’t want to change weapons, there’s nothing easier than lowering the BR to 10.7… and it will still be too high BR for this crap.
Would be quite fun at 10.3 with 9Gs instead of 9Ls. But would benefit even more from being finished. Especially the flight model