Su30MKK is 12.3 mate, and it can carry 6x KH29s, 2 R73s and 2 PL12s-
EF2000 is 13.0 but has significantly worse loadouts yet is higher BR.
They do obviously include the A2A capabilities, but the J22 has extremely strong Ground strike capabilities which allows it to outrange most SPAA which, will likely move it up in BR.
I’ll agree here, i reckon it’ll end up a bit higher, i can’t help but ocmpare it to the AmX A1A which sure has access to 2 Pirhana missiles but they’re not really that good at all.
The EF2000 has much better missiles and electronics, which is why, even though it only gets 8 ir spices vs 6 tv kh29s and a tv guided bomb, gaijin puts it higher. Your looking at ground loadouts, and the EF2000 is much better in air-to-air than 4R73s and 2 pl12’s.
This isn’t to say that what you are suggesting is a bad idea, or that confusion at the BR differences isn’t warranted, its just that Gaijin prefers air to air performance over ground ordinance performance for initial placement before making adjustments. The Su30Mkk, due to having no IR capacity, initially being 13.3/14.7 br range, and lets be honest (being a premium) is given a favorable BR, whilst gaijin justifies strapping the EF2000 to the metaphorical br ceiling because of its air to air capacity firstly, and also simply the fact it can carry IR bombs, regardless of how many.
This all culminates in why I believe gaijin will struggle to properly balance the J22.
Another interesting thing is that the J10C and F15E are both at 13.0 for example. This is because gaijin looks at them and says, hmm… in air to air battle rating, they are similar, and even though the J10C carries only 9 ir 250kg bombs, since those bombs and the 16 gbu53s + 6 agm65ds are all IR, they are fine at the same BR to gaijin. They just don’t like to take into account certain intricacies like that, plus-> the minor nation tax due to good players using them, similar to why the AMX1A is screwed over.
The biggest thing though is whilst the J22 has strong ground strike capabilities, MITL gameplay is still very slow. You fire off one missile behind cover, and then launch the next one maybe 20-30 seconds later. When you run out, you will RTB. This gameplay is paced much slower than the AJS for example, giving plenty of time for enemy aircraft to intercept you, or for the less skilled players to push in too far and get shot down by spaa.
When gaijin then is comparing the statistics, they likely won’t find that much of a difference. A few good players doing well with the AJS by playing it optimally against average spaa players and getting multiple restocks throughout a match, vs. many, many average players doing decent with the J22 by firing off MITL missiles, sometimes missing, but mostly succeeding over a longer period of time each match.
This is the biggest concern with MITL, as the feature is absolutely insane → spaa player’s cannot directly fight back other than via interceptions, but the comparisons gaijin’s statistics will draw, which they use to balance their vehicles to a fault, likely won’t give them the feedback we are hoping for.
“Aided by Romania”
Romania is in the Italian tech tree (multiple premium planes, and even Romanian SPAA)
“We are giving this unique plane that was specifically designed to not be Russian… to Russia.”
Seriously, can you guys just not… be the way you are. For like one update, just stop being you, and give the community what they want.
Serbia is not Russian either. Call a Serb Russian. Please, I dare you. They made a minefield out of Bosnia for less. Also, this plane was DESIGNED SO YUGOSLAVIA DIDN’T RELY ON SOVIET/RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT. What part do you need understanding? Do I need to say it in Russian? Serbian? Hungarian? Yugoslavia does not belong in the Russian tree, the J-22, specifically designed to not be Russian does not belong in the Russian tech tree. It would make more sense going to France since France and Yugoslavia have similar looking roundels. Giving it to Italy makes sense since it was done with Romania. Literally anyone BUT Russia.
Its a great spot for it in the USSR tree, long history of importing equipment from the USSR. Ideal spot for Yugoslavia and Serbian vehicles outside an independent tree.
Just to avoid a long battle of us getting our messages deleted, I will call a truce. I hate this decision, I view it as a complete insult to my third favourite union (and the haver of the best civil war soundtrack of any nation). You will support it. No one is changing their mind. Fun talking with you.
I support people that want to get rid of their president, but I’m just telling the truth here. Plenty of people there are still openly supporting Russia and as such I don’t really see them complaining that much about being called Russian.
Big mad, now fight me. (don’t want to talk about politics)
Anyways, back to the topic, still sad we did not get put into the French(Avionics) or British(Original engines licence) tree.
I really hate the whole, “but Yugoslavia used Russian equipment” defence because, well, many other tech trees have Russian equipment and they’re not in the Russian tree. Yugoslavia used T-Series tanks, but so did Hungary (Italian tech tree), Finland (Swedish tech tree), Romania (Italian tech tree), East Germany (German tech tree), and China (Chinese tech tree). Yugoslavia used BMPs, as did Hungary, Finland, and East Germany. Yugoslavia used MiG 29s, and guess who has those? The Italian tech tree (two) and German tech tree (two). If we include modern militaries, Croatia uses the Rafale, and Serbia bought 12 of them.
The only thing Russian about Serbia is that in WWI, the Russians viewed themselves as the protectors of all Slavs, and Serbia said… not nice things to Russia and they made Yugoslavia.