Post Seek and Destroy - Make SU27 FM more realistic

Now that the new update has dropped and the AIM120 and MICA are dominant, the missiles of the SU27 are no longer a good reason for the nerf to the FM of the SU27 (and Mig 29s). An FM change to more realistically mimic the IRL performance of the SU27S/SM might not level the playing field for the plane, but would make it more enjoyable to play.

Please fix the drag induced speed loss.

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Do you have documents and proof that this could be added? It would probably do more good if you did and made it into a bug report.

You’re right, and I can try, but to be honest others would do a better job of pointing out the intricacies. I’m just creating the thread in hopes with better resources can weigh in.

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Mig-29 is not nerfed.
And Su-27’s engines are also over-performing, so you’re asking for the engines to be reduced in performance.

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Mig-29 is not nerfed

It’s common knowledge that the Mig 29 FM was nerfed just before the introduction of the F-16C. I guess your argument would probably be that it was overperforming, but it’s hard to deny it’s underperforming now.

And Su-27’s engines are also over-performing, so you’re asking for the engines to be reduced in performance.

The SM as it is currently manufactured has the AL31FM-1 engine, which would have 13,498.9kgf on full afterburner.

The SU27SM in game has the standard AL-31F, and does not have the correct thrust output for even that engine. IRL Thrust output in full AB of the AL-31F is 12,501 kgf, in game it is 11,660kgf on the SM.

Citation.

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The Mig-29 FM was corrected based on new data.
If it’s underperforming, show the sustained turn rate chart.

Also in-game the Su-27’s engine produces over 13,000kgf.

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Fully upgraded, the SM would be 11,662.2 kgf, though granted in game this would be shown as 11,660.

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Static thrust isn’t the maximum amount of thrust an engine can produce.

Mind providing the data showing that in game, the engine does produce more thrust than the stat-card static thrust rating?

Oh no. Somebody has a better Bvr machine this time. Just play other nations too

Game balance shouldn’t be a competition.

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There is no balance in this game. Play more nations

The the su27sm need better radar… this radat at the moment one big joke and worst radar in 13.0

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mig fm extremetly nerfed lol

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