that makes no logical sense, what in the german main are you saying. bros desperately trying to defend the 2a7.
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Are you fucking stupid? The green area you are showing on the T-80 are the same areas you pen the Leo, except the Leo is physically larger and so has more surface area that can be viable penned.
And no, if those 2 tanks meet in-game, it is likely whoever fires first, which is how it should be, because they both will either 1-tap or completely cripple the opponent.
Except that for “‘some reason’” the horizontal drive of the T-series is not disabled by an autoloader hit so they can actually fire an unrushed shot, even if they didn’t fire first… Curious…
Edit: color me shocked, you’re a 1-trick pony. Your opinion is worthless. Pipe down tard.
are you fucking stupid and blind? the leo2a7 literally has smaller weakspots. and it really isnt much larger. and when 70% of a tank is a weakspot compared to 10-20% of a tank
and then comes into my next argument. the leo2a7 can take a shot easily. the only viable one tap or cripple shot is under the gun , and thats a micro penis shot that has a high chance of getting consumed by the drivers optics. meanwhile u can lower plate shot a t80bvm and one tap it/cripple it or you can just blast it anywhere other than the upper front plate and it will cripple it or one tap it.
Edit: Your 16 kid pipe down looser, stop defending a blatantly op tank like your life depends on it
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LMAO must be hard being that stupid, that’s not what that number means
Try to get back on track you 2, stop with the insults please
What’s to get back on track?
Some chud (who is a Soviet 1-trick of course)wants better ammunition for the T-series because they actually have to aim, the same as everyone else does, and even if they wanted new ammo, there’s basically nothing they even can get. 3BM59 would give an extra 10-15mm of pen which would make no difference anyway as it’s would still require aiming for weak points.
It’s just funny he’s complaining after the Leos and Abrams got massive nerfs in terms of survivability/fightability
what does the number mean than? and are u gonna give any real response to the response i gave you?
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Unfortunately for you i care about your concerns as much as russian mains cared about my concerns during BVM reign.
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LMAO you don’t want to do this.
Let’s see the actual calculation for that 70% bub.
The same as the T-series can.
The same as the Leo, except the T-80 can actually use its horizontal if it doesn’t get 1-shot, unlike the Leo, for “‘some reason’”.
Except that you can’t? You hit anywhere on the turret that doesn’t get the breech and either the commander override or gunner will just turn and shoot you, with no reduction in reload time. The turret ring is just as trolly ,if not moreso, as the Leos. And even a drivers hatch shot isn’t guaranteed, I’ve had rounds go through there, kill the driver and magically pass all the way to the engine while hitting nothing else, curious…
So what are you left with? Breech and LFP. Which is the same as the Leo, either killing it outright or basically guaranteeing a free follow up shot by killing mobility and a second return shot. except the T-series gets the benefit of not losing their horizontal for “‘some reason’” so if they held their fire then they get a free return shot while the Leo reloads.
I want to say Xbox accounts used to require a number and that was what made it roll off the tongue well, but I know my Steam account had it as well and that’s much older than 2009. Frankly can’t recall given it’s been nearly20 years since I adopted the moniker, in ~2007 iirc.
Multination experience matters a lot actually, it gives you a wider understanding of a certain vehicle or nation, not just seeing it from the other side.
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first of all, the 70% is a rough estimate, and u gave u a picture of the front protection analysis
second the 2a7 can tank alot more shots than any other t series and thats just facts
third after running the protection analysis the turret basked gets crippled only on some shots. and even in game thats the case and on average only 1-2 crew members lost. compare that to the t80bvm where a lower plate shot guarantees an auto loader break and a chance to break the horizontal drive thats if the tank isnt sent to the stratosphere
fourth, u can actually blast the bvm anywhere frontally other than the ufp and it will cripple it
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yeah obviously it matters when talking about strenghts and weaknesses but i dont need multination experience to understand the statistics and that a big difference in average player skill for the 2 most played nations is highly unlikely
USA mains are the densest player group in the universe, where these seagulls are incapable of thinking beyond the surface level of a situation and considering multiple perspectives.
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They’re denser than black holes… fascinating
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having interacted and read texts from russian mains a lot these past days i can confidently say that both are dumb as rocks
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And you know that how ?
It’s very easy to overextend and crest a hill just to get enough gun depression in order to shoot someone. This means you’ll have spots that simply don’t work with your tanks, so you working around that is a must.
New players will overexpose and be caught in the open as they have no idea what they’re doing.
I don’t think any nation has on average better or worse player.
This is an English speaking forum, and its not hard to see most people here play US as their main tree. And its not really something you can expect everyone to have multiple trees ground out past ww2 BRs, taken me thousands of hours just to finish Russia/German air and ground, and I’m just now finishing Russia, 2 tanks left, + spading and playing some I have unlocked. So its hard for most people to actually get multiple perspectives on trees. Actually hard is a too soft a word its pretty much impossible to expect your average player to.
The war has done nothing but pump insane amounts of anti Russian propaganda everywhere in the west, and add that on top of Americans generally being very proud and pumped up about their military and its a recipe for what these forums are, 80% US mains complaining about Russia or their own vehicles. Its rare to see Germans complaining besides what 2 threads recently about their ww2 planes being overtiered, and a single thread about leo not being able to depress behind. I don’t think I’ve seen any threads in weeks complaining about russia tanks in terms of them being underpowered etc., just having to defend them in the countless threads complaining about them or nato tanks.
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Don’t get mad because I’ve listed crippling flaws of something. Falling back to 38MT in a discussion about tank rounds just means you have nothing else to say about it.
Do show where I said that, I was just arguing they aren’t as easy for new players as some might suggest.
Try using a game mode that doesn’t have Naval as epitome of activity.
Just a rage bait post. They are good tanks (in game), just place your shots.
2A7 is the most braindead and easiest tank to play in the game.