Poor poor poor little MiG-29 (9-13)

there is a very simple explenation to the r-60 turning better:

  • r-60m weighs 44kg
  • AIM-9L weighs ~84kg

i know that dosent tell the whole story but it is enough to get an idea

and aim9l is also alot longer range than the r-60m while only turning slightly worse at really close ranges, which is a pretty good trade-off imo

Magics are heavier than both and turn better. Just like aircraft, the body and wings (fins for missiles) matter a lot too. Weight is important but don’t tell the whole picture.

Yes, the main advantage of the r60 is that faster reaction time and faster acceleration.

i know thats why i said:

as it stands the r-60 was designed as a “gunnery missile” and the aim-9 as a longer range missile

the US started using/ actively developing close range dogfighting missiles only after they learned about the r-73 after the german reunification

That’s exactly where they work well. Within gun range.

to get back to the topic:

thats all good on the mig-21 and mig-23

but not so well on the mig-29 against 4th gens

what about this kind of chart (i dont have time to set up r60 vs 9l rn)

a aim-54 would never make that turn

It’s the exact same, and sometimes easier to get kills because you face more “hot targets”.

I’m not saying the r60m is a better choice than aim9L in most situations, but when someone is aware of you, the r60m is better, since the only chance you can hit anyone is if they don’t flare in time.

12.7 Mig-29s are not in a bad position when compared to the other 12.7s, only the yak141 is considerably better, since it has a better FM and a better loadout with 4 very reliable radar missiles (for 12.7)

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lol

Netz is on 12.7 without irccm missiles or radar missiles

Never thought I’d see the day these terms become mainstream outside of the incel forum.

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Everyone has been saying this. The current loadout config sucks for everyone. If you’re a MiG player you have to contend with having only 2 AAMs and 4 APS projectiles. If you’re facing a MiG you have to face R-27ERs with AIM-7Ms. We need to ditch the R-27ERs for R-73s.

(Knowing Gaijin the Soviet Rank 8 premium fighter is going to be a 9.13 that conveniently happens to have exclusive access to R-73s)

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and somehow 13.0 in SB

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what the sigma? im just expressing my skibidi rizz, im migmaxxed and r27erpilled on god fr fr no cap.

Sounds a bit like yet another BR compression issue

Gaijin logic is rly something

I don’t understand the argument for the mig-29, if you give it 6x r-73s even with the er removed it would be 13.0. And at that br the flanker is simply a better option, why up tier the fulcrum?

Bcuz R60s are trash Mr. Kizvy.

The mog29 is the epythome of mediocrecy

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Play su-27 if you want to play at 13.0. 12.7 mig-29 is fine

I would if the su27 was 13.0 in sim.