Ron_23 was advocating for a mig29 with IRCCM at 12.7. So he likes to use that undertiered F-16 as an excuse now.
I see that he didn’t enjoy the pushback lol
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It’s not a pushback. It’s just a copium from people that still believe that this F-16 was placed at 12.7 by mistake.
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Copium is thinking the mig29 needs R-73 at 12.7. Fine give it for realism sake, but it will be moved up as deserved because its already a fantastic 12.7.
The squadron F-16 was undertiered by purpose for gaijin to make some money. No one is saying that it was a mistake now.
At the dev server level it might look like a mistake. At the live server it was clearly intentional.
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I’m not the best player but here:
The current best 12.7s are the Mig-29 Yak141 and the Mirage2k-S5.
Imagine needing a buff in one of the best jets in that BR.
If you want R-73 you will join the 13.0 club
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As i already said the current MiG29 at 12.7 in sim (idk about RB) Is utter dogshit
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That’s fine. Arcade, Sim and RB have different BRs. I also don’t have an opinion on sim because I don’t play it
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since the top tier planes have been moved up to 14.3 wouldn’t be too much of the pain, but since there is s a F-16 with 6x9M at 12.7 getting the historical loadout of MiG-29A at 12.7 would be fair
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You too? Yeah lets give every 12.7 IRCCM missiles because why not? Who cares about 11.7-12.3 jets anyway? Right? Yeah lets club those bastards with R-73s.
The only issue is the squadron F-16 being overtly under BR’d when the TT equivalent which is a worse version is already at 13.0
The least they could do is add 2xR-73s and 2xR-27R, since R-73 is not too complicated to evade as AIM-9Ms, even the magic 2 from the Mirage F1 at 12.0 is harder to evade.
Plus MiG-29A consumes fuel a lot and forces you to fly most of the time without afterburner 'cause you will run out of gas before even reaching the battlefiel plus MiG-29A got 60 countermeasures that divided between chaffs and flares are 30. Giving the R-73s to MiG-29 will actually balance the (9-13).
And removing the R-27ER which are the strongest SARH missile from the game and changing it to the stock version of the R-27s won’t make the plane an unstoppable plane.
AoA in MiG-29 isn’t great as in sukhois, most of the time it stalls and barely do crazy maneuvers.
11.7s against the current mig 29 loadout be like
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Good luck evading gatewidth IRCCM in rear aspect.
The mig-29 would be like that, but at 12.7 with up to 6 IRCCM missiles instead of 2 on an actual decent FM. Not only that but with good radar missiles, even if it was limited to the R-27R, which is the best SARH after the 27ER.
The F1 should be limited to magic 1 and move to 11.0 or so.
What a load of BS. Furthermore you can use 101% afterburner with much lower burn rate and still keep a very decent pace because the Mig29 is damn fast.
Another lie. The Mig29 and the Yak141 now have single drop countermeasures just like the F-16s
Is this kind of balance in the room with us?
Limiting it to R-27R at the exchange of adding R-73 is a considerable buff. The Belgian F-16A is without SARHs at 13.0, with an arguably worse IRCCM missile, no TWS and no HMD.
Do you want to move half of the current 13.0s down to 12.7 to compensate and ruin the whole 11.7-12.7 bracket too? It’s enough that 13.0 and up are kinda ruined already
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I’ve done it and people have done it, even in low tiers with SU-25’s R-73s
That is why I said 4xR-73s and 2x-R-73 as the minimum they should do.
the gap between R-27ER and R-27R is big, not comparable, R-27R is just ahead from the R-24R, R-27R will be competitive against AIM-7Ms
And get another plane without their historical loadout? No THANK YOU!
No, with MiG-29 you need to be more reserved with fuel use, you need to use it with full capacity plus the fuel container (if you want to use the afterburners for longer periods of time)
You can check by youserlf, is only 60 (Total) but you need to load chaffs and flare at same time.
I have never talked about other aircraft outside of the Fulcrum and the new F-16.
not quite, at 12.7 most of the first engages are long range with Fox 1 and Fox-3
not my fault, but if it is historically you cannot blame it or use it as an excuse to keep MiG-29A with that fake loadout.
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You do know it can carry r-73 on the most inboard pylons as well
I know but I’m sympathizing with his demands, so that it may be balanced enough in his perspective
It’s possible, but very unlikely. I have flared off 2 magic 2’s in a row from someone flying about 1km away from my rear with the F-16 by flaring off and doing a neg G pull with my throttle way down and cool engines. But that doesn’t mean you can reliably flare off gatewidth IRCCMs at rear aspect
Of course its a big gap, because the ER is way better than anything else. But after it the 27R is the best because of IOG and datalink + good agility. The only missile that offers parity with the 27R is the Aim-7P which is only available on premium vehicles.
F1 is a pain to balance, bad but fast FM with garbage avionics and bad SARHs but with amazing IR missiles. If it was limited to magic 1 would be much better for game balance and make it more interesting to play at ±11.0
“And get another plane without their historical loadout? No THANK YOU!” ---- lol what do you want after all? Seems you just have double standards.
I don’t even use the drop tank, and it lasts me more than needed. Maybe learn a few things, like use low stage afterburner when cruising in level flight, or climb to 5000m where your fuel consumption will be much lower and no still contrails.
If you bring a full tank + external tank you have A LOT of fuel for AirRB needs, I don’t even recommend having that much because you don’t want to be caught with 20min of fuel while dogfighting early/mid match.
You are twisting my words. It’s completely fine to give the Mig29 its historical loadout, it’s not fine to keep it at 12.7 while doing so.
Personally, I would not want it right now before we get 13.0 decompressed. It would just ruin the mig29s because why use it when a flanker does everything way better than you except climbing?
I’m unsure what you’re trying to say here. But the Mig-29 does have single drop countermeasures, If you split chaff and flares you get half of them for each DUH. For each flare press you drop 1 flare, for each chaff press you drop 1 chaff. If you combine the 2 in the same keybind you drop 1 of each (2 countermeasures). Quickmaths
If you guys manage to change the mig29 with R-73 and keep it at 12.7 I’ll also sympathize with your cause. I’ll join the seal clubbing. Can’t wait for constant 4-5+ kills each match when downtiered /s
I refuse to believe that was not a joke