yeah, I just feedback on that and you are right, I can’t see a MiG-21 bis fighting a MiG-29, maybe 12.3 would be better by avoiding the top dogs of 13.7
I did. Never noticed any differences in G pull.
Not just Bis, any 11.0 would struggle.
12.3 without R-27ERs, and just R-27Rs would make for an interesting experience IMO.
That’s just a BR compression issue, and it won’t be solved unless Gaijin puts effort into improving WT.
There is zero need to downtier it. Just do as I said earlier.
I hope you’re trolling
yeah, then F-16s should be moved since the first F-16 has only fox-2s and the second F-16 is similar to the current status of MiG-29 (9-13)
It is too hard to think where to place every plane so that they can accommodate themselves acceptably. since the max BR is 14.0, maybe if they could pull the BR to 15.0, all planes could be placed better. but IDK what is GAIJIN doing
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Moved where?
F-16A (13.0) would be too good at 12.7 with 6x AIM-9M
Why?
It very much still would, R-73+HMD is an incredible combination that 11.7 shouldn’t face. The MiG-29G of course can’t work magic like the Su-27 but it still is incredibly dangerous in a dogfight. Just remove R-27E and add R-73 and make 13.0, with most 13.0s going up to 13.3 (where they absolutely can handle themselves just stay low and don’t tunnel vision) This works even better with decompression to 14.7 or 15.0.
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Yes. The French F-16A is the perfect example of the sad state of BR compression around 12.7-13.0
It would be too good for 12.7, but it’s a bad 13.0
F-16A ADF should be 4/6xAIM-9M & 2AIM-7F making it equal to MiG-29 (9-13) with 4xR-73 & 2xR-27R/T
6x R73 is more powerful than including R27R/T and this vehicle would already be on the edge of balance with the 4x r73/2x r27
Then you go on to say this after you make me explain the former? What was the point?
21bison at 12.3:
But then it’s worse than the Mig-29G which has both the R-27Es and R-73s. I do agree that it would probably be too good for 12.7 with R-73s and R-27Rs.
“R-73+HMD is an incredible combination that 11.7 shouldn’t face.”
Also F-4J has HMS at 12.0
With the current state of 13.0, that would put the ADF on a worse position often. It also would just be a worse F-15A
12.3 minimum. The R-60Ms aren’t the greatest, but at 12.3 the R-27ERs are still good but not facing MiG-21s, F-5Es, Tornado IDSs, etc. It’s like the MiG-23, you rely on two missiles, but yet a skilled player will make use of all they have on hand. Also, the 9-12 has the same issue, which I assume you were including in this post
Alternatively, raise the MiG-29A to 13.0 and give us another BR bracket (15.0)
MIG29 is never getting downtiered to 12.3 with any loadout
If it was in the american TT it would be 12.3, only US gets undertiered planes.
The r73s were removed after americans cried a storm on the forums in the first place. That was back during 100m multipath ir meta so now its just a 2 missile bus at 12.7 with significantly better options 0.3 br higher.
Dogfights are incredibly rare at higher tiers and usually end up happening because of poor posistioning not because you want them to.
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And they get 6 fox 2 with pd radar on top of hmd and think 11.7 mig23 is undertiered with 2 fox 2 and mti radar.