Poor poor poor little MiG-29 (9-13)

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The mig29 was at 13.0 or its equivilent in the TT before 14.0 decompression before it got r77. On one hand its nice they didnt have to grind a copy paste for the r77 but ya they dont get a 13.0 mig29 loadout as a result. Not sure what people would have preferred.

For russia I dont personally see a point in a 13.0 mig29 when you have su33 and su27 at 13.0. Germany just takes whatever it can get because their air TT is awful sfter the mig21 bis until the typhoon, ICE going down to 13.0 helps I guess.

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the problem with the mig-29smt is that it has even worse flight performance than the base mig-29 already has

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Even in ASB when Tornado F3 Vs Mig29 was every single match. The Mig29 dominated every fight.

Skyflash was defeated by MP and flying high was equally deadly due to R-27ER.

I would never win a turn fight nor could I run away. If the joist failed, the only option was hope there was a teammate nearby to help or J out.

In my experience, Mig29 is far from a weak aircraft, even without missiles to rely upon

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because the tornado f3 is a bomber with radar missiles

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Yes, but still doesn’t change the fact that a mig29 at 12.0 even with very limited loadout, wouldn’t still be very very strong.

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that isnt a good example, tho
i could as well say that the f-16a beats the mig-29 every fight and is at a lower br

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Though that’s only lower because US mains are bad, I’d they had a mig29 it would be about 11.7

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scuse me what? the thing slams at 12.7 with its current loadout.

If it gets 4 x R73 it will instantly go to 13.0 minimum those missiles are not found on capable platforms below that, su25s dont count.

Now that is a possibility, TBH I find it okay as is with the 2 R27ERs, suppose im used to the F16AJ which has the 9Ls which while better than R60s get flares still relatively easily.

But yeah 4x R73s and 2 standard 27Rs seems alright.

Personally dont see the mig29 as needing changed, find it a really good plane for the BR TBH

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F16A slams the mig29 in every regard bar SARH missile… dunno why it sits at 12.3 xD

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i think the mig29 should get its historical loadout
means remove the r-27er from it and give it the r73
and then it might be fine at its current br with the amount of irrcm missiles that are already around that br range

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Okay so I know not much about the Mig29 series, like at all.

So if it historically didn’t use the R27ER why does it have it?

AND how can we push to change it if it didnt have it?

the mig29 is fine at its current BR man, theres nothing wrong with it for 12.7 ?

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because it had R73 + R27R at one point on dev and R73 was broken beyond belief. so they took it away and compensated with 27ER.

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i mean hypothetically after it gets r-73’s and the r27er removed

mig-29 entered service almost 10 years before the r-27er entered service and germany for example never bought any r-27er

this youtube video explains it better in a few minutes or so than i ever could:
(watch from 9:13 if the timestamp dosent work)

i wish i knew, many ppl already tried

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yeaah i mean even with the payload RN its fine for its BR though

There you go then problem solved rip that R27ER off the cnt

TBH Gaijin in the past few years kinda went “meh” when its came to historical accuracies. look at even recently, Shir 2 gets L15A5 ammo which is identical to the L15A3 round… the same round it replaced, the L15A5 is capable of going through the UFP of a t64 at roughly 2km.

But I digress, no one really pays attention to these planes now in the vast scheme of things and its a shame.

Like BRs from about 6.7 - 12.7 just kinda get left to their own devices, unless theres an outlier like the F14 (or hte damn F16A being 12.3 for no good reason. F18A as well)

Yeah but to be fair once they fixed it, I remember the push to get the Mig29 loadout changed and they just binned hte idea

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Player stats. I’d place the F18, F16 and Mig29 as all equal in general overall performance and none should be 12.3.

I’d even consider 12.7 as pushing it a bit when compared to a few 12.0s but that is largely compression issue

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gauruntee if the mig29 Gets R73s the US mains demand Aim9Ms ont he F16A OR that the mig29 goes to 13.0 (this is with loss of the R27ER)

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I wasnt.

But looking over at statshark currently, R-60s do indeed pull harder, so I was wrong.

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Strange, never noticed it in the heat of the battle, but hey, you lear something new every day.

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Well… That chart doesn’t tell you anything about their pull. You gotta input some launch angle first, but statshark isn’t very reliable anyway.

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I imagine that its good enough for rough idea about their pull, no?

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Not at all, since that simulation represents a rear aspect shoot in straight line with both jets flying at 1200kph.

What you can see in that graph is that the r60m is faster and will hit the target much sooner within ±1km distance as you selected for the graph