Every missile is avoidable in some way or another, doesn’t mean that r-27er aren’t fantastic for 12.7
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Lmao no. No matter how bad R-60s are 11.0 should never face R-27ERs
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They are, they are also very avoidable if the target isn’t bad at the game, meaning if someone DOES avoid one, you have effectively lost 50% of your firepower in a single whiff
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12.7 mig-29s have only those two 27ER missiles tho.
Sure they technically have R-60s but they are pure ass.
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The same applies to most other 12.7s. And many don’t have the luxury the reliability of r-27ers
Not really. Mirage 2K has the same issue where it has two “primary” missiles that are high PK for their BR, but the M2K also has VERY servicable backup missiles where as the MIG29 does not.
F-16ADF has worse primary missiles (2x sparrow) but they will still kill often enough, and its backup is far better (4x 9L)
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R-73s are a huge buff that will probably push it up in BR.
With R-73s and R-27Rs, it’s both too good for 12.7 (better than the F-16s, and imagine the complaining that other IRCCM 4th gens are at 13.0), but not good enough for 13.0 (like the Mig-29G being a mid 13.0 and objectively worse than the Su-27 at the same BR).
It has 2 of the worst radar missiles for 12.7, they are very unreliable unless you are third partying someone.
9L are not “far better”, they are often better but not by a big margin and not in every situation. The 4xr60m + 2xr27er is preferable, but that’s just my opinion, although the F-16 is the better platform, so it balances it.
9L absolutely mogs R-60Ms in most scenarios
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They are the hardest to avoide from any fox 1 while having amazing fp
Yep, in that the competition is literally only 3 missiles, 1 of them is the R27ER, and the matra 530D is slightly worse than the 7M… not that it is bad itself. The 530D still kills anybody who does not notch/go cold/multipath etc.
Not been my experience, no.
They very much are. Range is massively higher enabling far more shots in this long range meta.
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MiG29 does not have good FM for 12.7. If you mean the R27ER then my suggestion is to start reading instead of just smacking the keyboard because we’ve been talking for a long while now how having 2 great missiles still means you have TWO great missiles
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In range and thats about it. At short range where you have more chance to avoid flares, the r60 is better since it pulls harder and accelerates faster.
If I’m following someone’s 6, id rather have the r60m, else id rather have the 9L for sneaky long range shots, that sums it.
It’s definitely good, not the best but good. One of the fastest jets, and dogfight performance isn’t bad
“on the six” IR missile kills do not happen often at 12.7.The meta is radar missiles + longer range IR sneak kills
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There is a far larger list of aircraft that stomp the 29 than aircraft that the 29 even just beats at all
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Not sure about that but im not going to open the datamine for missiles.
Thats like one scenario i wouldnt bother with R-60 launch unless im like below 1km and event then 9L performs almost the same.
R60s have no tailchase ability whatsoever.
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With the r60m happens more often than the aim9L, if you time them right when you think the guy stops looking behind to analyse terrain or something else that might caught his attention
For dueling yes, but thats not the only thing that makes the AirRB meta
It’s very apparent if you ever fired both missiles at an angle