Did they already do that? If not I think they will eventually find it in some maintenance documents or whatever is open to the public. After this, the only reason to say no is the pylon.
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Well there could be instances yes but like you said if they keep digging they’ll find something hopefully and copeing while trying to find any doc that has the right information
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Pylon ain’t the issue it’s the fact that it didn’t enter service with it even if we provided info the f14D could use AMRAAMs supposedly only prototype vehicles can get tested armament not production vehicles
U have any documents explicitly stating that APG-71 can use AIM-120?
I have posted plenty of documents showing the F14D is capable of AMRAAMs not to mention the only two radar that the f14 uses only one has the capability to use AMRAAMs since its digital and was made to give f14 access to more modern technology
You need one document that explicitly state that APG-71 can fire AIM-120 or AIM-54 C+ and AIM-120 is using the same guiding software. This is the only way to prove that the cost of replacing 600+ F-14 A/B’s AWG-9 with APG-71 is the too expensive part of the cancelled modernisation project. Otherwise, all your documents would be categorised as “cancel plan”.
Kh-38MTs proof of existence: I saw it in a dream
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I have posted documents showing that the f14D/apg71 is the radar that is capable of using aim120 and all that was needed was a computer software update
Why does this need to get proven? Also there was no plan on changing out awg9 for apg71 on f14A/B. Apg71 was only given to the 55 f14D
Edit: well 18 awg9 radars where changed out for apg71 on 18 f14D(r) but still the rest of the f14A/b never had plans of changing their radar for apg71
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18 of F-14D(R) is converted from F-14A, and isn’t the AIM-120 test fire on that F-14A was done with STT mode, and AWG-9 cannot datalink AIM-7P? Gaijin dismissed all the F-14D can fire AIM-120 documents with just “cancelled plan”. That is the reason why we need a document that explicitly shows that APG-71 has the capability to guide AIM-120 before the introduction of F-14D, and it is just the logistics to put AIM-120 on 50-ish F-14D or upgrade the radar of the whole F-14 A/Bs fleet were just too expensive.
Edit: there are multiple documents just in this forum showing that F-14 A/B cannot fire AIM-120 and there is a cost lifetime assessment document regarding replacing AWG-9 radar with APG-71 online asI remember correctly.
The test firing in stt mode the document dosent say specifically witch f14 did the testing but it should be obvious that it was a f14 with the full digital avionics and radar that is found on the f14D
The f14A-65 is the testing aircraft that tested how firing amraam on the f14 airframe would go as seen it was a success
No it can’t witch is why it’s the apg71 with the capability to use modern tech
Finding documentation on the apg71 is scarce. And like I said we already provide enough information for f14D w/aim120
This is moot
I know I never said f14A/b can use aim120. And i don’t know what life time of a radar has to do with anything unless it has performance stats on what they are capable of doing or something like that
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Find documents about AIM-54C+. If the AIM-54C ECCM’s guiding software is proven to be the same as the AIM-120, then the AIM-120 software upgrade mentioned in the 1987 document you cited was later installed in the F-14D APG-71 to fire AIM-54C ECCM.
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I’ll try clear this out for you.
You have the hardware. The transmitter is the same as AMRAAM. So typically , they are compatible.
However, the software the Tomcat had couldn’t guide the AMRAAM because it didn’t have the data for AMRAAM to be guided. The Data-Link for 54C+ used different parameters and waveform than the 120.
54C+ used wider pulse widths because of it’s huge antenna and thus making it unique. 120 had way smaller antena and use a complex waveform , with tight pulses and frequency hopping.
Let’s say they don’t “speak” the same language…
That’s why they say it’s the software upgrade that was missing.
For example.
You have a GPU (F-14D). The GPU (F-14D) is compatible with DX11(needed for 54C+) and 12 (needed for 120A). However , you have installed the 11(54C+) only. The game you want to play (120A) , is DX12 only… so it won’t play.
Can you install 12 and play. Ofc you do since it is compatible. But they didn’t.
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Really bad metaphor you are using here, as AIM-120A is DX11 and AIM-54 C+is DX12.
|WGU-16/B|Guidance Section of AIM-120A|
|WGU-17/B|Guidance Section of AIM-54C|
(WAU to WTU - Equipment Listing)
The US literally has all the software and hardware in place, but they choose to save costs by not implementing the AIM-120A software update on the F-14D, while upgrading the AIM-54 missile system with a new guidance section that incorporates AIM-120A parts, and implementing a software update to the F-14D to fire it. This is the main recourse regarding the AIM-54C+ High Power Phoenix firing software is, did Hughes save cost and reuse the AIM-120 A software on AIM-54C+ High Power Phoenix.
Also, is this statement really true?
as :
AIM-54C+ High Power Phoenix
Improved variant developed by Hughes for F-14D. Contains internal heaters, which eliminates need for temperature conditioning liquid, high-power Traveling Wave Tube (TWT) transmitter adapted from the AIM-120 AMRAAM, and low-sidelobe antenna. Latest version of RPM substitutes 6 ultra-high-speed computer chips for 45 of earlier, less-capable chips. Full-scale development began in August 1987. First test flight of fully upgraded missile on 14 August 1990 scored a direct hit on a QF-4 drone. (https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/12701)
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If that was the case it would fire 120 since it would have the same software and wouldn’t need update.
Literally the update was that.
As for the metaphor , that’s what i came up…you got the meaning.
That the 54C+ had bigger antenna ? Nearly 2 times bigger. 38cm 54 , 20 (?) cm 120 in diameter.
The transmitter was the same and they took it from 120A , because better performance and better ECCM etc. But the transmiter is a component (hardware) . It will use the waveform they tune it to use via software.
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Exactly my point. It may already be able to after the AIM-54C+ High Power Phoenix software update. The DoD documents always lump F-14A/B/D together regarding the upgrade program; maybe 55 F-14D are not worth a new Python to fire AIM-120A.
Any source here would be great; the low-sidelobe antenna NAVAIR stated is very vague.
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They improved the maneuverability of the aim 54s
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saw it just after wacking up.
chunky boy still is slower then a 27ER smh
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Still a request comment for AIM-7P here:
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Oh wow! A whole 3Gs? Tell the AIM 9B that it has competition!
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Last lime i checked 22-17 is 5 also aim 9b can only pull 10gs