I never liked the whole idea of slope multipliers in the first place. If you are gonna calculate the 0° penetration of all shells, and then estimate their penetration at X° by applying slope multipliers to that estimate, you might as well estimate the sloped penetration directly from shells mass, caliber and speed like you did for 0° values, without introducing another source of possible error with slope multipliers.
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Every APC round that I have found reliable data for is over performing in game.
If you can accept M62 APCBC over performing by ~20%, why can’t you accept T33 over performing by about the same?
What so difficult to understand when I say a few vs. practically all?
Pretty sure that the 75mm and 88mm Pzgr. 39 and British APC rounds are pretty spot on.
I’m not saying that some APC rounds that overperform shouldn’t be changed but this has nothing to do with making nearly every AP round overperform.
It’s whataboutism.
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It’s not whataboutism. All APC rounds are over performing. Allied testing of PzGr 39/43 put it around 225mm, not 237mm like in game.
Not all AP shattered and deformed.
If the game can ignore AP cap loss and APC deformation, it can do the same for AP. That’s the system they chose.
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Oh no. That one German round that penetrates 5% more than it should, of cousre means that all APC rounds overperform.
Do you have the same data for 17pdr APC and 75mm Pzgr. 39?
It’s just nitpicking. You know how many AP rounds in-game overperform 0-30° wise?
Let’s focus on what should be important: APC rounds penetrating more 0-40° armor while AP rounds penetrating more >45°.
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It’s not nitpicking. All APC rounds are overperforming to some degree.
Gaijin chose a standard, one size fits all system. The system has to be fairly implemented.
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Nice. I was looking for this document for quite some time.
Well, it says BHN ranging from 250 - 325. So depending on the hardness you get different results.
In-game we don’t have some specififed armor hardness and all armor is treated equally.
I understand. I’m just trying to find information using the same standard to eliminate any debate about what constitutes a penetration.
They buffed accuracy of the gun. Some good news.
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It passed to developers!
Also, can you help find T.I summary N139 Aug 44?
Will do more harm then good.
Have fun with your T25 at 6.7 and your M46 and M47 at 7.7.
Not to mention how tanks like the M36 will go up in BR leaving the US with no high powered gun as TD.
The overpressure mechanic for APHE is BS anyway. Would require way more explosive to have the same effect as HE.
I mean I’m not against players choosing between APHE with more or less filler but the ovepressure mechanic is just dumb.
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There is no justification for moving tanks up in BR over stock APHE.
There is justification to move tanks up in BR because they start performing better.
With overpressure the old M82 is much more better than the M82 with less filler but higher muzzle velocity and penetration.
The difference between hitting any tank in the turret just once and knock it out is just way more valuable than the slightly better velocity and penetration.
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To be entirely fair the M36 already barely has a reason to stay at 5.3.
It already was quite good before, and now both the M82 and the 90 mm cannon have been buffed on it with higher muzzle velocity and less drag on M82, and less than half of the maximum dispersion on the cannon itself.
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True. Much better than the M18 at 5.7.
Now the only difference between the M36B2 is that one gets HEAT for being much less mobile and having a giant muzzle break.
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Yeah the M36B2 is much more of a side grade to the M36 than an actual upgrade due to the massive loss of mobility.
The Japanese M36 and the Italian M36B1, however, don’t lose nearly as much mobility, specially the Japanese M36, which I do believe to be the best overall M36 in the entire game.
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So why isn’t the Tiger E like 7.0 with its high filler APHE?
Because the Tiger E doesn’t have M36 level of mobility, nor a fast turret traverse compared to other US tanks.
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So? It has over pressure. It should be at least 7.3.
Lets be real, the M36 pays for its firepower and mobility by getting overpressured if anything HE or HEAT hits it. The PT-76, for an example, is basically the natural predator against M36s because of its 5 second reload HEAT.
The M18 at least has the whole ‘no armor best armor’ thing going for it while also being faster to boot. The only thing it cant do is snipe, but neither can the M36.
What would actually make the M36 uptier material is if the solid AP can penetrate the hordes of Panthers, Jagdpanthers and the Panzer IV/V. Finally, a tank that can comfortably engage German medium tanks from beyond point blank.