Where exactly did you find that number? As far as I know, only a single Ostwind II prototype was built, and sources are unsure exactly what stage of development it was actually in.
Just reaffirms that Gaijin had changed their approach at some point and then we began eating 20 shermans, 10 M109s and 5 M44s. Its so sad seeing how great game fallen under capitalistic governing.
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I’ve been thinking about this in general, and to be honest, the copy-and-paste doesn’t even bother me that much, since the vehicles often still differ slightly. What does bother me, however, are subtrees:
If they were standalone research trees, the copy-and-paste wouldn’t be so bad, since it would then only reflect the vehicles with the modifications specific to each nation. But I really don’t like it when a nation gains access to a vehicle it didn’t actually have, just because a Gaijin created a sub-tree to supplement that nation and bring it in line with the other nations.
This causes the research tree to lose its authenticity, and it could even become pointless to play multiple research trees, since the best vehicles are already available as a sub-tree within the research tree which you play as a main simply because Gaijin wants to make all research trees identical in terms of their capabilities…
That doesnt bother me as much as those machines stay uniqie to the game. When they added South Africa for example. All machines were unique, and interesting.
But the copypaste bothers me so much. And much less because i have to research it again, but much more beause i have to fight it in my matches. I loved war thunder`s assymetric gameplay where you could judge which machines would you meet based on the nations and play accordingly. Now? Every match has Leopard 2s on both sides, T-72s on both sides, Leopard 1s on both sides, Shermans and Pattons on both sides usually, T-34s on some ratings and ect ect ect.
Not even starting on how planes were super specific of their gameplay cycle depending on the enemies.
Which cant even happen with subtree, where they need just a small pinch of heavilly modified techs. If they were standalone, that would be even more of an issue as now they need to fill lineups, and there just arent as much of heavilly modified techs at most nations.
That boils down to copypaste slop only tho. Look at it that way: IF they did what you said here, and used models modified by that nation (not just “had” or “bought” if it is clone but really did modify) that wouldnt ever be an issue. For example, instead of Finnish PzIV and T-34-41 they had Sturmy and finnish Sherman in tech tree.
Did you guys see the leaks? There is still hope 🥹
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From Vladimir Francev’s book.
May I ask what leaks…?
Not quite, the Panther 2 iirc is a conglomerate of ideas so it’s not even a real paper vehicle, the Tiger 2 10.5 is not a realistic option as the turret is far too small to house the breach. That’s what I got out of those two, the Flakpanzer made it to mock up stage so who knows.
This isn’t the Panther II. This is the Panther 8.8cm.
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It was always real, just paper. The other issue is it’s a Frankenstein’s Monster of like 3 different projects. From memory those are:
- Tiger II with rangefinder.
- Tiger II with turbine engine.
- Tiger II 105.
Gaijin also implemented the turret incorrectly.
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I hope it’s okay to discuss leaks here, mods feel free to remove my post if not. I had a quick skim over the forum rules and TOS and didn’t find anything forbidding it.
A leaker with a rather good track record for accuracy posted a long-term leak list which I assume spans over the next year or so. One of the items on the list was this:
Which I sincerely hope turns out to be true. I see this as an ideal way to bring paper vehicles into the game, and I hope that begins with bringing back these three.
I would absolutely be in favour of seeing tanks like the Löwe, O-I and FV215 183 added to the game.
I hope not, go play WoT if you like phantasy Tanks…