This is what I feared lol, there’s no point in this
Exercises always have rules of engagement and above all are training, collaboration and networking opportunity. The Typhoon and su 30 mki are both very capable aircraft in current use, and much depends on the pilot, I honestly don’t know what else to tell you
No one says they’re not capable vehicles. These exercises though are not indicative of anything because in some instances certain vehicles are handicapped, for instance an aircraft starting behind another aircraft for a dogfight. Pilot testimonies are often contradictory. It is why Gaijin uses flight model charts showing sustained turn rates or instantaneous turn rates.
Also, let’s say both RAF and Indian pilots agreed that both aircrafts are overall equal in dogfights. Then what is the SU-30SM lacking? Is it lacking in instantaneous turn rate? Sustained turn rate? Maybe not enough AoA? Maybe not enough thrust-vectoring? Or is it that the R-73 should be more maneuverable?
These pilot accounts don’t give the necessary information to properly model aircrafts.
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I’d say it needs to be able to pull slightly more AOA at higher speeds, it needs to be more controllable when using the AOA button and have more sustained high AOA turns at slow speeds with its tvc and canards, and it’s needs more thrust vectoring angle when using mouse aim instead of needing to use the AOA button to use the tvc, all of these ideas listed I believe would help its flight model be more stable and consistent with real life capabilities, and for the R-73 I believe it’s bugged currently, whenever pulling AOA and launching an R-73 it doesn’t track the target at all, but no the R-73 itself I don’t believe needs any changes except for maybe the IRCCM in arcade battles.
Also, if those exercises weren’t indicative of anything, why would we continue to participate in them? Sounds like that’s just a huge was of money then🤷♂️
Most of the reason I believe it’s underperforming is the general feel of the flight model, not the stat sheet itself.
But how exactly do you know it is this and not that perhaps it needs more sustained turn rate? No sources you’ve presented stated this. So is it just your “intuition”?
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And sure, I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know exactly how the Su-30sm preforms irl, at least to gaijins (understandable) standards, I definitely don’t have an Su-30sm performance manual.
You asked me what I thought needed to be changed about it, did you expect me to not answer? I’ve provided many sources of why I believe this but you don’t agree with me regardless… what am I to prove to you anyways
Allegedly the flight model developers are pretty good at their job and do their job well in this game. Some aircrafts have some issues but they usually do a good job of research before putting an aircraft into the game. Gaijin has consultants whose jobs are to find materials/sources for them.
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No one has it, and that’s the problem, I tried to find something but everything was always vague and didn’t give me solid numbers,
The two things with solid numbers that I found were a video and a website, both of which would be tertiary sources at most
(su30mki about 22 or 23 deg/s sustained turn rate)
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I would assume so, I just believe that it’s underperforming in game, this is my opinion and I have provided sources for my belief, I’m not asking you to agree or believe me or anything like that, I just did not want to argue, I respect your change in tone and allowing me to have a respectful conversation with you, exchanging different opinions
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I’ve seen these, also super vague lol, I agree!
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yup, I tried my best for about 3 days researching, trying to find something that would give me solid numbers but i couldn’t find anything D:
There really is nothing definitive about these aircraft’s performance except word of mouth from the pilots, but if you ask me, that’s a pretty damn good source lol
eh, idk, i’m sure gaijin wouldn’t accept a bug report based on these sources
for example, although the website gives us 25 degrees of STR, it also says that the su30 has 1.40 of TWR and I have no idea how this is possible since the su30 is fat and the al-31fp is weak, maybe 1.40 with 10% of fuel lol
gaijin could also fix the cobra button, that thing forces horizontal flight for some reason, sometimes making aiming very annoying
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Honestly, all I think it needs in game is to go back to pre nerf flight performance, have more tvc angle in mouse aim, and be more stable at low speeds, because right now the tvc is practically non existent unless using the AOA toggle, and when you do use it at low speeds it turns into a fidget spinner and goes everywhere except where you want it to go lol
Those numbers are probably based off of information with the upgraded AL41 engines, I think, and sure it’s fat, but it also has tvc and canards, just sayin
Honestly I think it’d be a good idea to implement these aircraft with their peak technology in game, like the aim120c for the f-15c and f-15e, upgraded engines like the su27sm and maybe the su30 in the future, and hopefully the 9x for the f-16 f-15c f15e and the hornet and upgraded r-73s for the Russians, maybe one day even meteors for the f-2000
but the su30mki doesn’t have al-41… that’s the problem, su30mki is from 2006 or something (you can consider su30sm also from that time, since it’s literally the same plane, excluding new fbw system and other small things that are not relevant for wt) so idk how that thing could have 1.40 of twr