the T29 going to 7.3 seems like a really confusing decision, it already performs poorly at 7.0 since its more like an American analogue to the Tiger II. I ask please to reconsider this and even weigh in the decision to actually put it down in BR to 6.7 since 7.0 is already a rough position for it.
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I’m not sure the Merkava Mk.2d should go up to 9.7.
Sure, you have okay survivability in the turret, but your hull is like paper. anything more than a dm13 shell will go straight through your engine block killing all your crew no problem.
The DM33 was a good change but that meant it went to 9.3, which i feel was a good spot for it due to its crappy mobility. You’re mostly a support tank with little ability to hold an area for long without getting flanked, or even to get to a good spot on the map before anyone else arrives at theirs and shoots you on your way there.
The sights arent fantasic either, gen1 thermals and its far too zoomed in for close range, and not enough for 1+ kilometre shots.
The lineup you would get with 3 merkavas at 9.3, and some magach 7c and Gal Batash would be alright (after br changes) but to stretch the magach’s and Merkavas mk 1 and 2b’s to 9.7 where in an uptier it would have to fight something like the T-90A with good thermals, armour and not to mention 3BM60 APFSDS, which, would go clean through any part of the merkava mk.2’s without any issue, with little the DM33 is able to do against it in retalliation.
To then try and bring the other merkavas as well as either of the magach’s up with you would be certain death, and thats before you even research the tier 4 modification M111 for the Merkava 1&2B.
It would also ruin any semblance of a lineup you can actually create in Isreal, as the Merkava 3B&C are 10.7 with nothing else there, before you reach the Merkava mk.4’s starting at 11.3.
Isreal needs all the help it can get, with playerbase included, and moving it up would hurt one of the only well put together lineup’s you can make below 10.7.
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T114 to 7.7?
This should stay at 7.3.
Makes no sense to be playing 8.7 BR games in a full uptier. Which we all know Is 90% of games you get.
It has zero armour, bad gun elevation and a slow autoreloader reload if you fire your 4 shots too fast.
It was 6.7 now 7.3 now 7.7!
Where is the logic here?
All SPAA with radar needs to be bumped
From 7.7 to 8.0
Radar SPAA against a prop is too unbalanced. As an example Considering France has no jets between 6.7 and 7.7 all these lineups ups you have only prop CAS Support.
Premium stryker gets m900 all of the sudden? Every other vehicle around this area is getting pushed up with no changes for the sake of balance, why move the premium stryker up but then also give it a direct upgrade over the tech tree variant?
I mean upgrade in terms of economy - there is now 0 incentive whatsoever to play the tech tree stryker as the premium one will just be a flat out better way to spend your time.
This game wasn’t always pay 2 win. Why is it trending that way?
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also why was the 2s38 ever added jesus christ
I wholly believe that the T29 should stay where it is. It already has trouble facing tanks of its own rank, like the IS-3, Tiger II (Henschel Turret), and such. Bumping it up will effectively kill the last of any hopes of being effective that it still had when having to face Soviet and German heavy tanks at its rank
PUMA is already high at 9.7, moving it to 10.0 just makes what made the tank good less useful as it fights more powerful cannons and its speed becomes less of an advantage. If youre going to move it up at all might as well move it to 10.3-10.7 and give it spikes.
Oh my gosh guys.
So many people complaining about this “just moving compression”. Do you all have such short memories?
THE LITERAL LAST BR CHANGE IN APRIL was decompressing top tier ground out to 11.7. most vehicles in the 10.X-11.X range were increased by 0.3. this has left a pretty noticable gap in the 10.0 range for most tech trees between where they decompressed and hadnt got to yet.
THIS CHANGE is continuing that by moving the next bracket of vehicles out! THIS IS LITERALLY DECOMPRESSION. They aren’t compressing the 9.x-10.x range further because THEY HAVE ALREADY DECOMPRESSED IT! Sure, you could argue they can decompress it more but this is NOT compressing BRs or even moving compression.
This is directly helping fix the INCREDIBLY loudly complained about compression between WW2 and cold war vehicles.
Every vehicle below 9.3 being changed here is not getting nerfed, because the vast majority of tanks in the BR range are all going up 0.3 together, so your tanks relative BR placement with everything else is not changing. Its not a nerf or buff.
For people complaining about the Leopard 1 nerf, sorry, but no. This tank has been OP for years at 7.3, and has been widely agreed on by the forum community. The Leopard 1 has needed to go to 7.7 for ages. With this change, since everything in the Leopards BR bracket is going up, its going to 7.7 anyway. They then nerfed it up by 0.3 to 8.0. its only going up by 0.3, not 0.7.
If you think thats still not fair, how about we look at a comparison? The M60A1 AOS. That tank has the same gun, same rounds, worse mobility, in exchange from some armour that is almost as irellevant at the BR, worse optics, a non laser rangefinder same as the Leo, and a Stab. It is 8.0 going to 8.3, the only thing the Leopard does worse is the stab. The stab is worth more than 0.3 of a br? Fine. The T95E1. Different gun and round, but similar performance. (Prob one of the worst darts in the game on an MBT) still slow, still mostly useless armour, no stab. Also 8.0 and going to 8.3.
The Leopard deserves its BR hike. (And the Turm 3 deserves to go up 0.7)
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My opinion on m60ambt Br is to low for almost 600pen so it should be at least 10.3 tank or even a 10.7
I honestly do believe that the STRV-103’s do not need to go up in BR. The problem with them is just like F104’s. they are strictly situational. On a long range map they might be busted, but they have no chance in close quarters combat. Furthermore, if they are moved to 8.0, it will only make their existence more painful, since their only trump card is their frontal armor, which is completely negated by APFSDS, which is also far more prevalent in the 8.0-9.0 range than the 6.7-8.7 range. I hope this change will be reconsidered! I dearly enjoy this frustrating and wobbly mess of a tank and I do not see any fitting reason for it to become more frustrating and just as wobbly :)
i really think you guys are just scammers… you had a big discount for vehicles…and nou you change the BR … .so they become worthless… where is the fair trade"? after the last Vehicle Discount , so many players bought the Object 120 , and the Is6… now you move up the BR… is this ok?
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T 29 should be 6.7 and puma should be 9.3 or still 9.7
Z9W and Z9WA should stay in their BR now
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I guess when these changes are implemented i will no longer play Britain (im a brit main) as they have been crept up and as for air some of the jets do not belong where they are. The centurions going to 8.0 are now going to be facing tanks with faster speeds, turret rotations and apfsds/darts where as the centurion mk 10 and other brit 105 using apds will struggle against the enemy armour. The chieftain mk3 already struggles at the br it is at as it is slow (i presume this is the same as with the challengers where in the british sit back and support from a distance with their tanks and this is how it is implemented in game) and takes a while to reload meaning it is more of a tank destroyer than a heavy tank and every tank and its uncle can pen the chieftain mk3 anywhere.
Lastly for the brits the vfm5 going up without no thermals will be a death sentence as at its current br it is semi ballanced as it positives and negatives ballance each out, but putting it up will make it unplayable.
Some of the changes i agree with like the leo 1 going up as with it speed and the L7 105 it was a monster at 7.3 -7.7. The object 120 is a glass cannon and a half at its current br as it goes through anything like a hot knife through butter.
I would like to see the E.B.R get the better round if it goes up like the amx 13.
With vehicles like the aml’s the amx 13 90 and the ru 251 this is a good move as heatfs pretty much one shots end ww2 like the tiger 2’s.
The Raketenautomat should go up to the same br as the U-SH 405 if not higher as it is almost the same vehicle as wheels vs tracked have their benefits and cons but moving one with out the other as they both use the same weapon system except for the Raketenautomat has more ammo.
Ah yes, the OP Marder A1, it’s says a lot about a vehicle when i have more air kills with this then the Wiesel 1A4 which Gaijin made into a SPAAG ;)
Good luck killing anything in GFAB when you ATGM’s are gone, the DM43 is pathetic to say the least.
Everything USSR has more then enough side armor to make the round useless, @500m the pen drops to 37mm at 0 degrees.
and survivability is laughable since anything hitting the turret center mass, hits the 20mm belt which goes thermo-nuclear every single time.
At least the other you mentioned have a workable main gun round, as i said the Marder is an excellent SPAAG, fast turret, +65 degrees, high RoF, and enough Dakka to get the job done.
Nah VdT has more armor than some battleships. I’d say she’s fine at 6.3 for now. Invincible on the other hand has very thin armor for a capital ship, only comparable to some late heavy cruisers. I don’t feel good about lowering her, but it probably needs to happen under the current compression.
Fully agreed with your other suggestions.
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Why is the M1A1, IPM1, ZTZ99-II, ZTZ99-III, T 80 U 10.7? I would argue all of these tanks are better than the Type 90 with the exception of the ZTZ99s, but even those have their upsides (better armor, HE-VT, ATGM, better shell, better thermals)
ahem, look at the current reload of those soviet tanks compared to the american and german tanks.
also since they are moving up BR it doesn’t really count as buff?
I agree that those are overtiered, but moving them down one step would be enough. Pushing them down two steps is a bit too much.
Glorious is anything but a glass cannon, whilst Hipper and Eugen definitely are. Hipper/Eugen’s armor is useless at protecting the exposed ammo racks from 6-inch and larger AP shells, and even some destroyers can detonate them at certain ranges and angles. Glorious on the other hand, has most of her critical modules deep inside the ship and underwater, and spaced far apart from each other. Due to how WT naval DM works, this turns her entire hull into a bullet sponge, capable of absorbing much more damage than her otherwise thin armor would indicate.
I know Glorious’s firepower is not exactly 6.0 worthy, but her survivability kind of is. But Hipper and Eugen are certainly not worthy of 6.0. They certainly are not “counters” of each other. Moving Glorious up is questionable, but at the same time I sort of understand why it’s happening. We’ll have see how she does at 6.0.
If the AUBL-74/HVG is getting a BR increase it would only be fair to buff it’s reload rate especially when you consider that the 60mm APFSDS has subpar performance ever since the shell & post-pen re-work